Let's get the figures

[john_p]

There is a lot of smokescreening going on. What we need to do is get hold of the KSI figures (as well as the 'cameras deployed') for each area for the last few years. That way there is serious evidence of the effectiveness - or lack thereof - of the "safety" partnerships. How can we best go about doing it?

These are publicly-funded organisations so they can't withhold it, can they? (I am aware of the contradiction in that sentence)



>>> Edited by john_p on Monday 19th January 12:20

[Tafia]

john_p said:

There is a lot of smokescreening going on. What we need to do is get hold of the KSI figures (as well as the 'cameras deployed') for each area for the last few years. That way there is serious evidence of the effectiveness - or lack thereof - of the "safety" partnerships. How can we best go about doing it? These are publicly-funded organisations so they can't withhold it, can they? (I am aware of the contradiction in that sentence) >>> Edited by john_p on Monday 19th January 12:20

Well, we know there are at now least 5000 cameras in UK (probably more with mobile traps) and figures I have seen this morning (unconfirmed) suggest that GB fatalities may well be up for the third year running following the hypothecation schemes going national in 2000.

Expected - not confirmed - figure for 2003 is 3650, up from 3431 in 2002. Is this the reason for the smokescreens?

[john_p]

Is there a list of scamera partnerships anywhere?

[streaky]

john_p said:

Is there a list of scamera partnerships anywhere?

www.nationalsafetycameras.co.uk/

[forever_driving]

I was watching (I think it was) BBC News 24 over the weekend. I saw a woman on who was being questioned about the validity of speed cameras. She said something along the lines of...

"Speed cameras have significantly reduced fatalities across the UK and they're a huge success"

I then waited for the reporter to ask the question
"Where's the proof?"

But he didn't, he just left her comment there as if it was perfectly valid, but with no evidence.

I was shouting at the TV "But deaths are up you bitch!"

The problem is the public will get brainwashed into thinking that the scameras work if this kind of sh1t continues.

[safespeed]

john_p said:

There is a lot of smokescreening going on. What we need to do is get hold of the KSI figures (as well as the 'cameras deployed') for each area for the last few years. That way there is serious evidence of the effectiveness - or lack thereof - of the "safety" partnerships. How can we best go about doing it?

Data for all police force areas for the last 6 complete years (not 2003) is available in the spreadsheet downloadable from the following page:

www.safespeed.org.uk/hypothecation2.html

The six official source documents are gathered together here:

www.safespeed.org.uk/mainresults.zip

Best Regards,
Paul Smith
Safe Speed
www.safespeed.org.uk