Maybe buying an M5 - is this good S/H?
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As title, looking seriously at a 2000 M5, 59K miles, says full service history, details as follows:
Running in check - 1954 miles 18/10/00
Oil & Filter - 14369 miles 07/06/02
Inspection 1 & Filter - 33553 miles 07/03/05
Oil Service, Filter & Bodywork - 46662 miles 20/07/07
Oil Service - 58304 miles 15/07/09
Brake & Coolant checks done while serviced as scheduled, book stamped accordingly
Does this look OK? I'm not too familiar with the correct service intervals for these.
Running in check - 1954 miles 18/10/00
Oil & Filter - 14369 miles 07/06/02
Inspection 1 & Filter - 33553 miles 07/03/05
Oil Service, Filter & Bodywork - 46662 miles 20/07/07
Oil Service - 58304 miles 15/07/09
Brake & Coolant checks done while serviced as scheduled, book stamped accordingly
Does this look OK? I'm not too familiar with the correct service intervals for these.
stevep944 said:
As title, looking seriously at a 2000 M5, 59K miles, says full service history, details as follows:
Running in check - 1954 miles 18/10/00
Oil & Filter - 14369 miles 07/06/02
Inspection 1 & Filter - 33553 miles 07/03/05
Oil Service, Filter & Bodywork - 46662 miles 20/07/07
Oil Service - 58304 miles 15/07/09
Brake & Coolant checks done while serviced as scheduled, book stamped accordingly
Does this look OK? I'm not too familiar with the correct service intervals for these.
I'm not either TBH but on most M cars, the 58 would be an Inspection 2Running in check - 1954 miles 18/10/00
Oil & Filter - 14369 miles 07/06/02
Inspection 1 & Filter - 33553 miles 07/03/05
Oil Service, Filter & Bodywork - 46662 miles 20/07/07
Oil Service - 58304 miles 15/07/09
Brake & Coolant checks done while serviced as scheduled, book stamped accordingly
Does this look OK? I'm not too familiar with the correct service intervals for these.
On the face of it , it seems ok , the E39 M5 goes off the service indicator rather than a strict time / mileage stipulation . In my experience 15000 miles every 2 yrs or so is not in iteslf anything to worry about. I would have expected the odd bill for something out of the ordinary in that time though . Vanos , maf , maybe a clutch.
If you are really keen on this car a good inspection by an indy may be worthwhile
If you are really keen on this car a good inspection by an indy may be worthwhile
R60EST said:
On the face of it , it seems ok , the E39 M5 goes off the service indicator rather than a strict time / mileage stipulation . In my experience 15000 miles every 2 yrs or so is not in iteslf anything to worry about. I would have expected the odd bill for something out of the ordinary in that time though . Vanos , maf , maybe a clutch.
If you are really keen on this car a good inspection by an indy may be worthwhile
Ah I misread it as a 2006 car which would make it an E60, Damn this wine!If you are really keen on this car a good inspection by an indy may be worthwhile
In which case the 58K one should defo be an Insp 2 and not just an oil service.
Inspection 2 is a big service. The e39 is a straight forward car to work on and does not require valve clearance's done so its cheaper than the m3. Have it done independent and it shouldnt be too expensive. I would expect a clutch replacment around that mileage so i would check its been done or expect it to be on its way out.
The e39 really is an incredibly strong old beast, the brother in laws (which i have had the pleasure of using a few times as well as doing all the matainance on it) soaks up anything you throw at it. He has had it for coming on 3 years now and bar routine matainance has not had anything go wrong with it bar the rear diff seals which i replaced shortly after he got it (60k miles).
The e39 really is an incredibly strong old beast, the brother in laws (which i have had the pleasure of using a few times as well as doing all the matainance on it) soaks up anything you throw at it. He has had it for coming on 3 years now and bar routine matainance has not had anything go wrong with it bar the rear diff seals which i replaced shortly after he got it (60k miles).
stevep944 said:
As title, looking seriously at a 2000 M5, 59K miles, says full service history, details as follows:
Running in check - 1954 miles 18/10/00: SHOULD HAVE BEEN AT 1200
Oil & Filter - 14369 miles 07/06/02
Inspection 1 & Filter - 33553 miles 07/03/05
Oil Service, Filter & Bodywork - 46662 miles 20/07/07
Oil Service - 58304 miles 15/07/09: SHOULD HAVE BEEN AN INSPECTION II
Brake & Coolant checks done while serviced as scheduled, book stamped accordingly
Does this look OK? I'm not too familiar with the correct service intervals for these.
I would have preferred someone not doing the servicing exclusively on the basis of the green lights (hence the 20.000 miles between the 14369 and 33553 services) but rather at every 10.000 miles. On the other hand, it would indicate that the previous owner would have used it for leisurely motorway service, rather than city driving. Running in check - 1954 miles 18/10/00: SHOULD HAVE BEEN AT 1200
Oil & Filter - 14369 miles 07/06/02
Inspection 1 & Filter - 33553 miles 07/03/05
Oil Service, Filter & Bodywork - 46662 miles 20/07/07
Oil Service - 58304 miles 15/07/09: SHOULD HAVE BEEN AN INSPECTION II
Brake & Coolant checks done while serviced as scheduled, book stamped accordingly
Does this look OK? I'm not too familiar with the correct service intervals for these.
Apart from the last service that should have been an inspection II and where the spark plugs should have been changed (factor £300 into the price to have it done) it looks OK - low mileage for a 2000 car. Slightly suspicious about the 3 years between the 14369 and 33553 service.
Could also be possible that the last owner has scrimped on servicing due to the Oil Service which should have been an Inspection II. 
I would be wary and ask questions as to why? These cars are relatively cheap to buy in the second hand market but so many people forget that they are £60k + cars with running costs to match.
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I would be wary and ask questions as to why? These cars are relatively cheap to buy in the second hand market but so many people forget that they are £60k + cars with running costs to match.
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The owner is selling for financial reasons I think, so yes probably the last service was just oil and not inspection 2.
No definite info on the clutch so I guess it's still the original.
So I'd probably need to factor in some fairly immediate expense if I bought it.
But having said that it's the spec I like, particularly inside, appears vgc, low miles, only two owners, good price I think (£8500).
No definite info on the clutch so I guess it's still the original.
So I'd probably need to factor in some fairly immediate expense if I bought it.
But having said that it's the spec I like, particularly inside, appears vgc, low miles, only two owners, good price I think (£8500).
Have to agree with Slurms - the 19k gap between services appears too much. My car was used strictly for motorway driving by the previous owner and over approx 60k the gaps were on average 13k-16k per service.
Price seems OK but is it a facelift model? What extras?
I'd definately get an Indy to check it out and factor in an Insp2 @ £800 plus clutch @ £1000 ish and the brakes may well need work... another £1000? Are the tyres any good (probably low tread/budget brand) if the owner is skint £180 a corner?
Doesn't look such good value after all of that IMO.
I know people will always look for low mileage cars but possibly with an M5 it's better to go for a higher mileage, well maintained car instead? I test drove a few when looking for mine and I passed on one that sounds similar to the one you're looking at 2000, 46k (genuine), sketchy history, needed rear pads/disks, front tyres, no NAV - could have been mine for a shade over 7k. It didn't feel anywhere near as taught as the one I bought which had immaculate history but 108k
Price seems OK but is it a facelift model? What extras?
I'd definately get an Indy to check it out and factor in an Insp2 @ £800 plus clutch @ £1000 ish and the brakes may well need work... another £1000? Are the tyres any good (probably low tread/budget brand) if the owner is skint £180 a corner?
Doesn't look such good value after all of that IMO.
I know people will always look for low mileage cars but possibly with an M5 it's better to go for a higher mileage, well maintained car instead? I test drove a few when looking for mine and I passed on one that sounds similar to the one you're looking at 2000, 46k (genuine), sketchy history, needed rear pads/disks, front tyres, no NAV - could have been mine for a shade over 7k. It didn't feel anywhere near as taught as the one I bought which had immaculate history but 108k
mikey-r said:
Have to agree with Slurms - the 19k gap between services appears too much. My car was used strictly for motorway driving by the previous owner and over approx 60k the gaps were on average 13k-16k per service.
Price seems OK but is it a facelift model? What extras?
I'd definately get an Indy to check it out and factor in an Insp2 @ £800 plus clutch @ £1000 ish and the brakes may well need work... another £1000? Are the tyres any good (probably low tread/budget brand) if the owner is skint £180 a corner?
Doesn't look such good value after all of that IMO.
I know people will always look for low mileage cars but possibly with an M5 it's better to go for a higher mileage, well maintained car instead? I test drove a few when looking for mine and I passed on one that sounds similar to the one you're looking at 2000, 46k (genuine), sketchy history, needed rear pads/disks, front tyres, no NAV - could have been mine for a shade over 7k. It didn't feel anywhere near as taught as the one I bought which had immaculate history but 108k
If your paying £800 for an insp 2 your going to the wrong place i would advise a ring round before your next service Price seems OK but is it a facelift model? What extras?
I'd definately get an Indy to check it out and factor in an Insp2 @ £800 plus clutch @ £1000 ish and the brakes may well need work... another £1000? Are the tyres any good (probably low tread/budget brand) if the owner is skint £180 a corner?
Doesn't look such good value after all of that IMO.
I know people will always look for low mileage cars but possibly with an M5 it's better to go for a higher mileage, well maintained car instead? I test drove a few when looking for mine and I passed on one that sounds similar to the one you're looking at 2000, 46k (genuine), sketchy history, needed rear pads/disks, front tyres, no NAV - could have been mine for a shade over 7k. It didn't feel anywhere near as taught as the one I bought which had immaculate history but 108k
stevep944 said:
Yes has all the MoTs to prove(?) the mileage.
I'd asked because tragically the E39 M5 is a good target for clocking. They don't tend to show their miles - as many owners with genuine high mileage cars will confirm. So without the documentation it can be tough to tell high mileage cars from low ones. So when your looking at a SH with unusual gaps in it and services being performed out of sequence then it can often be that someone has changed the mileage.
You never have 2 oil services back to back on these cars so thats also slightly supicious.
Could be total co-incidence but given the very cheap price for such a low mileage car i'd be very careful about it..
Mine got a bew clutch/flywheel at 71000. Done under bm warranty by previous owner. £1790!!
Brake pads which I had to do £400.
If the tyres are near the end of their life cycle budget near enough a grand for a decent replacement.
I bought mine in April with 84,000 on the clock FSH.
Have 101000 on her now. Magic machine!!! When you're in the mood she's a total rocketship, when you're not she's just a big comfy 5 series( with a drink problem)
Brake pads which I had to do £400.
If the tyres are near the end of their life cycle budget near enough a grand for a decent replacement.
I bought mine in April with 84,000 on the clock FSH.
Have 101000 on her now. Magic machine!!! When you're in the mood she's a total rocketship, when you're not she's just a big comfy 5 series( with a drink problem)
I would not necessarily be put off by a car that only had Oil service done IF these had been done with 10.000 miles intervals AND the seller could provide documentation that everything that is included in the Inspection I and II had been carried out by a reputable independent.
I would for one never go to BMW to have consumables done (e.g. clutch, brakes, pads, bushes, etc) and tend to only let BMW do the oil service, and get my expert independent do a better job on the more involved jobs.
I would for one never go to BMW to have consumables done (e.g. clutch, brakes, pads, bushes, etc) and tend to only let BMW do the oil service, and get my expert independent do a better job on the more involved jobs.
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