Someone explain this.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/8354...
A teenager who kidnapped and raped a five-year-old boy, eight days after avoiding custody for another rape, has been detained for at least three years.
Judge Adrian Smith originally gave him a community order for raping a seven-year-old in Greater Manchester.
But on Wednesday at Manchester Minshull Street Crown Court the 16-year-old was given an indeterminate sentence for public protection.
He must serve at least three years in detention
A teenager who kidnapped and raped a five-year-old boy, eight days after avoiding custody for another rape, has been detained for at least three years.
Judge Adrian Smith originally gave him a community order for raping a seven-year-old in Greater Manchester.
But on Wednesday at Manchester Minshull Street Crown Court the 16-year-old was given an indeterminate sentence for public protection.
He must serve at least three years in detention
There is a very simple explanation; the criminal justice system in the UK doesn't work, it does not deter criminals and fails to protect us by locking them up. The rot set in with the drafting of PACE, which was a necessary reform but ended up becoming a criminal's charter. Neu Arbeit have finished it off with their vast incontinent output of useless and counterproductive legislation. Roll on the revolution; I think we should raffle the opportunity to pick which cabinet minister gets put up against the wall and shot first.
Unfortunately this demonstrates the problems of adhering to a religious belief.
Had the first family not asked for leniency then probably the rapist wouldn’t have been at liberty to commit the second offence. I accept that it probably helped the original family move on but social responsibility also applies.
Perhaps if they wanted the rapist to be more Jesus like, they should have demanded he be crucified.
Had the first family not asked for leniency then probably the rapist wouldn’t have been at liberty to commit the second offence. I accept that it probably helped the original family move on but social responsibility also applies.
Perhaps if they wanted the rapist to be more Jesus like, they should have demanded he be crucified.
Uncle Fester said:
Unfortunately this demonstrates the problems of adhering to a religious belief.
Had the first family not asked for leniency then probably the rapist wouldn’t have been at liberty to commit the second offence. I accept that it probably helped the original family move on but social responsibility also applies.
Perhaps if they wanted the rapist to be more Jesus like, they should have demanded he be crucified.
Don't bet on it.Had the first family not asked for leniency then probably the rapist wouldn’t have been at liberty to commit the second offence. I accept that it probably helped the original family move on but social responsibility also applies.
Perhaps if they wanted the rapist to be more Jesus like, they should have demanded he be crucified.
Sarah Paynes killer was on parole at the time of her killing. Apparently, his previous conviction was kidnapping and raping of some other poor soul, but the judge gave an unduly lenient sentence for no reason at all.
When it came out, there was a big fuss in the press, and the original judge was hounded to apologise, something he never did.
So did these parents have a bearing on the outcome of the first trial? I doubt it. And since when does anyone listen to a Christian anyway?
BBC said:
In sentencing for the first rape, Judge Smith is believed to have considered the victim's family, who forgave the youth because of their Christian beliefs.
Oh, jolly good! It appears our justice system is now taking heed of religious beliefs. I mean, that's not going to end badly, is it?Next week: Muslim terrorist sentenced to ten hours unpaid work, as Jihad justified in religious text...
Edited by wiffmaster on Wednesday 11th November 17:48
Gargamel said:
I can't - not when you can get nine months gaol for riding your legally owned, taxed and insured motobike at 170mph - without crashing.
An inquiry into the use of Polic cautions found that 111 people from 2004 to 2007 accepted Police cautions FOR RAPE offenses
In these cases they would be where the victim refused to co-operate or support a prosecution.An inquiry into the use of Polic cautions found that 111 people from 2004 to 2007 accepted Police cautions FOR RAPE offenses
They are issued to ensure rather than no outcome that the individual is put upon the sexual offenders database.
Justayellowbadge said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/8354...
A teenager who kidnapped and raped a five-year-old boy, eight days after avoiding custody for another rape, has been detained for at least three years.
Judge Adrian Smith originally gave him a community order for raping a seven-year-old in Greater Manchester.
But on Wednesday at Manchester Minshull Street Crown Court the 16-year-old was given an indeterminate sentence for public protection.
He must serve at least three years in detention
It's to do with his age. A teenager who kidnapped and raped a five-year-old boy, eight days after avoiding custody for another rape, has been detained for at least three years.
Judge Adrian Smith originally gave him a community order for raping a seven-year-old in Greater Manchester.
But on Wednesday at Manchester Minshull Street Crown Court the 16-year-old was given an indeterminate sentence for public protection.
He must serve at least three years in detention
IMHO he should be sectioned and locked away as he is clearly not right.
Mr_annie_vxr said:
Justayellowbadge said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/8354...
A teenager who kidnapped and raped a five-year-old boy, eight days after avoiding custody for another rape, has been detained for at least three years.
Judge Adrian Smith originally gave him a community order for raping a seven-year-old in Greater Manchester.
But on Wednesday at Manchester Minshull Street Crown Court the 16-year-old was given an indeterminate sentence for public protection.
He must serve at least three years in detention
It's to do with his age. A teenager who kidnapped and raped a five-year-old boy, eight days after avoiding custody for another rape, has been detained for at least three years.
Judge Adrian Smith originally gave him a community order for raping a seven-year-old in Greater Manchester.
But on Wednesday at Manchester Minshull Street Crown Court the 16-year-old was given an indeterminate sentence for public protection.
He must serve at least three years in detention
IMHO he should be sectioned and locked away as he is clearly not right.
I simply don't get how any court would look at a 15-16 year old who raped a small child and thought a Community Order was appropriate because of the offenders age i.e. old enough to know right from wrong.
Section or apply some form of "treatment" but the implication is that he was only "punished" with the Community Order.
paddyhasneeds said:
Mr_annie_vxr said:
Justayellowbadge said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/8354...
A teenager who kidnapped and raped a five-year-old boy, eight days after avoiding custody for another rape, has been detained for at least three years.
Judge Adrian Smith originally gave him a community order for raping a seven-year-old in Greater Manchester.
But on Wednesday at Manchester Minshull Street Crown Court the 16-year-old was given an indeterminate sentence for public protection.
He must serve at least three years in detention
It's to do with his age. A teenager who kidnapped and raped a five-year-old boy, eight days after avoiding custody for another rape, has been detained for at least three years.
Judge Adrian Smith originally gave him a community order for raping a seven-year-old in Greater Manchester.
But on Wednesday at Manchester Minshull Street Crown Court the 16-year-old was given an indeterminate sentence for public protection.
He must serve at least three years in detention
IMHO he should be sectioned and locked away as he is clearly not right.
I simply don't get how any court would look at a 15-16 year old who raped a small child and thought a Community Order was appropriate because of the offenders age i.e. old enough to know right from wrong.
Section or apply some form of "treatment" but the implication is that he was only "punished" with the Community Order.
It's really really difficult to put a 'child' in prison.
Mr_annie_vxr said:
Gargamel said:
I can't - not when you can get nine months gaol for riding your legally owned, taxed and insured motobike at 170mph - without crashing.
An inquiry into the use of Polic cautions found that 111 people from 2004 to 2007 accepted Police cautions FOR RAPE offenses
In these cases they would be where the victim refused to co-operate or support a prosecution.An inquiry into the use of Polic cautions found that 111 people from 2004 to 2007 accepted Police cautions FOR RAPE offenses
They are issued to ensure rather than no outcome that the individual is put upon the sexual offenders database.
Basically plea bargaining - the aggressor walks with the only punishment being on the sex offenders register for some period?
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