Free road tax? Not for long matey...

[G_T]

Well I for one was curious how the government would eventually begin to tax the "low CO2" producing cars which are currently offering "free" road tax. Afterall we always new the CO2 based taxing system was fk all to do with the environment...

I think I've stumbled across the answer;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/6543936/E...

Next stop more complicated CO2 based road tax to make up for lost revenue?

What do you chaps think?

Edited by G_T on Thursday 12th November 11:55

[tegwin]

Ok... so they have finally figured out that the electricity has to come from somewhere..... OMG.. are these people thick or what!?

[FNG]

Why does it need a special green-hugging agency before the bleeding obvious can be said in the media?

Do they grow these associations specially for press releases like this?

Is anyone outside of government surprised by this revelation in the slightest?

[Skipppy]

Reminds me of:

Clarkson: And where does the electricity come from Boris?

Boris: The plug socket.

Fantastic.

[vz-r_dave]

I think the future is an electric car and a heavy investment into using your own methods of creating electricity. I.e solar panels, smaller wind turbines etc.

The electricity generated can be used on the car and you can plug your house into the grid. That way they can not tax you this way as your using your own Green energy. That will fk them all over when they still attempt to tax your car on emissions wont it.

[ShadownINja]

G_T said:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/6543936/E...

[V88Dicky]

I've said it before; What would happen if we all took up the gubberment's advice and bought Priuses/Polo Bluemotions or some other car under 99g/km that don't attract VED. How would the gubberment cope with the lost tax revenue?

[Diderot]

G_T said:

Well I for one was curious how the government would eventually begin to tax the "low C02" producing cars which are currently offer free road tax. Afterall we always new the CO2 based taxing system was fk all to do with the environment...

I think I've stumbled across the answer;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/6543936/E...

Next stop more complicated CO2 based road tax to make up for lost revenue?

What do you chaps think?

So, ref the other thread, are you still convinced by the so-called evidence? Or can you now see this whole edifice as a lie, ereceted to to make harvesting tax from the population easier and provide new business opportunities for villans like Gore?

[Guybrush]

V88Dicky said:

I've said it before; What would happen if we all took up the gubberment's advice and bought Priuses/Polo Bluemotions or some other car under 99g/km that don't attract VED. How would the gubberment cope with the lost tax revenue?

Same thing if we all reduced drastically our energy usage at home. The cartel that is the energy companies will just raise their prices to make up for it.

[G_T]

Diderot said:

G_T said:

Well I for one was curious how the government would eventually begin to tax the "low C02" producing cars which are currently offer free road tax. Afterall we always new the CO2 based taxing system was fk all to do with the environment...

I think I've stumbled across the answer;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/6543936/E...

Next stop more complicated CO2 based road tax to make up for lost revenue?

What do you chaps think?

So, ref the other thread, are you still convinced by the so-called evidence? Or can you now see this whole edifice as a lie, ereceted to to make harvesting tax from the population easier and provide new business opportunities for villans like Gore?

Read the other thread properly and you'll see that I clarified my position as "a fence sitter" on no less than 5 seperate occasions. The only people I challenged were posters who were either being unneccessarily viscious or stupid.

I haven't had time to sift through all the evidence yet but I will and I'll reserve my opinion until I've done so.

One thing I should point out, as this comes up again and again, is that whether the evidence (or lack of) is used to justify a tax as a revenue stream for shady governments or manipulated by corrupt politicians is irrelevent. The question of whether MMGW exists or not is a matter of science. Not politics.

In my opinion even if MMGW is true then it is still being abused by politicians.

Edited by G_T on Thursday 12th November 12:10

[J B L]

New Labour: Ha! Hello Mr Motorist, I will have to relieve you of XXX GBP CO2 tax this year for you to drive your car around.

Motorist: Road Tax why not but CO2 tax, surely not this is electric and you said it's good for the environment.

NL: Yes but this is a Fisker Karma / Telsa roadster, it consumes more power because it's faster.

M: No it doesn't especially driving withing the limits of the law.

NL: and it also offends my typical voters. It looks like you have too much money. But we'll carry on with the previous argument if you don't mind... sells the story better y'see.

M: ho. I see. You should have said earlier. There you go. bends over

[TheCarpetCleaner]

I currently pay £0 road tax on my electric bike, however I am waiting for the day they decide that its time for a tax raise...

[kerplunk]

G_T said:

Well I for one was curious how the government would eventually begin to tax the "low C02" producing cars which are currently offer free road tax. Afterall we always new the CO2 based taxing system was fk all to do with the environment...

I think I've stumbled across the answer;

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/6543936/E...

Next stop more complicated CO2 based road tax to make up for lost revenue?

What do you chaps think?

"eventually" maybe they will but I can't imagine zero tax on electric vehicles making a big dent in tax revenue for quite some time and similarly EVs will require cash incentives to get going for quite some time.

There's not much to go on in the article but it may well be the case that with a still as yet un-decarbonized electic grid early adopters of EV won't be having much benefit on co2 emissions* but surely the point is to get the ball rolling towards a time when the leccy will be less carbon-based. Unless you think we should wait for the grid to be 'greened' and only then start development of EVs?

• I've read that charging EV's from coal fired power stations is still more carbon efficient then ICE cars when you take into account all the petrol infrastructure from well-head to gas tank but don't know how true that is - maybe that's covered in the report.

[Engineer1]

J B L said:

New Labour: Ha! Hello Mr Motorist, I will have to relieve you of XXX GBP CO2 tax this year for you to drive your car around.

Motorist: Road Tax why not but CO2 tax, surely not this is electric and you said it's good for the environment.

NL: Yes but this is a Fisker Karma / Telsa roadster, it consumes more power because it's faster.

M: No it doesn't especially driving withing the limits of the law.

NL: and it also offends my typical voters. It looks like you have too much money. But we'll carry on with the previous argument if you don't mind... sells the story better y'see.

M: ho. I see. You should have said earlier. There you go. bends over

Ah the joys of the politics of envy

[thinfourth2]

All personnel freedoms must be punished

[Diderot]

thinfourth2 said:

All personnel freedoms must be punished

And taxed.

[Bing o]

thinfourth2 said:

All personnel freedoms must be punished

What's it got to do with HR?

[FourWheelDrift]

Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.

[elster]

That article is complete rubbish!

Coal fired power station does not create more CO2 emissions for an electric car than a petrol engine.

There was an IET article into this, I can't find the figures, but they were all significantly lower.

The whole article is written around this line
"Coal-fired power stations are now regarded as one of the biggest sources of carbon emissions"

The big issue is there aren't enough power stations!

[G_T]

elster said:

That article is complete rubbish!

The big issue is there aren't enough power stations!

Not disputing the article is rubbish. It just struck me as the largely predicted shape of things to come!

Nuclear power should make everything OK.