Removing all benefit claimants overnight
Discussion
First thing that would happen would be all the Job Centres would be turned into Starbucks.
You're starting an awful lot of these megalomania threads you know. Well...2...
And all of the JC employees would be out of jobs. And the civil servants that support it.
There's quite a lot of collateral damage in your idea.
You're starting an awful lot of these megalomania threads you know. Well...2...
And all of the JC employees would be out of jobs. And the civil servants that support it.
There's quite a lot of collateral damage in your idea.
sday12 said:
Good: The Human Spirit would overcome, UK taxpayers saved £9 bn
Bad, The National Lottery would collapse, shortly followed by Lambrinni and Benson & Hedges, and you'ld get mugged.
HTH
Surely you wouldn't get mugged if all the claimants have been killed off? as per Richs idea. Bad, The National Lottery would collapse, shortly followed by Lambrinni and Benson & Hedges, and you'ld get mugged.
HTH
Devilstreak said:
sday12 said:
Good: The Human Spirit would overcome, UK taxpayers saved £9 bn
Bad, The National Lottery would collapse, shortly followed by Lambrinni and Benson & Hedges, and you'ld get mugged.
HTH
Surely you wouldn't get mugged if all the claimants have been killed off? as per Richs idea. Bad, The National Lottery would collapse, shortly followed by Lambrinni and Benson & Hedges, and you'ld get mugged.
HTH
Good: Council waiting lists halved, UK taxpayers saved £100 odd bn
Bad: Nowhere to buy you class As on a Friday night, Jeremy Kyle made redundant (that's a bad thing?)
Edited by sday12 on Friday 13th November 15:11
Works well until you consider those who have worked all their lives, paid into the system everything asked of them and then find themselves being made redundant.
Because they haven't been a work shy fop they are far enough up the pyramid that there just aren't that many jobs they they are qualified to do. People will not employ a manager who was on £50k to do a job which is only worth £25k because (usually rightly) they assume that the first sign of more money they will be off.
Hence you end up with a highly qualified person who is excellent at their job but who no one will employ because they are 'over qualified' and they end up on the rock and roll for 18 months.
Because they haven't been a work shy fop they are far enough up the pyramid that there just aren't that many jobs they they are qualified to do. People will not employ a manager who was on £50k to do a job which is only worth £25k because (usually rightly) they assume that the first sign of more money they will be off.
Hence you end up with a highly qualified person who is excellent at their job but who no one will employ because they are 'over qualified' and they end up on the rock and roll for 18 months.
If you make the benefit claimants vanish (and I presume by this, you mean the people who've turned benefit claiming into a career, not people who've simply lost their jobs and are trying desperately to get back into work...):
1. More space for everyone! Hurrah!
2. ... = fewer housing developments going up. Also hurrah!
3. Fewer cars on the roads.
4. ... = less stress for us gainfully employed types.
5. Lower taxes.
But on the other hand, if you mean just removing benefits:
1. Anarchy within a week as the lack of nicotine/alcohol/Sky TV kicked in.
2. We'd all be killed as many of the aforementioned former benefit claimants would murder us so that they could steal our stuff, sell it on the black market and use the pitifully small amount of money they got for it to buy tobacco/alcohol/Sky TV.
And anyway. I'm not sure it would be entirely fair to cull/deport people who rely on benefits through no fault of their own (disability or whatever). Can we make it selective and just cull/deport the people who claim benefits because picking fruit is beneath them?
1. More space for everyone! Hurrah!
2. ... = fewer housing developments going up. Also hurrah!
3. Fewer cars on the roads.
4. ... = less stress for us gainfully employed types.
5. Lower taxes.
But on the other hand, if you mean just removing benefits:
1. Anarchy within a week as the lack of nicotine/alcohol/Sky TV kicked in.
2. We'd all be killed as many of the aforementioned former benefit claimants would murder us so that they could steal our stuff, sell it on the black market and use the pitifully small amount of money they got for it to buy tobacco/alcohol/Sky TV.
And anyway. I'm not sure it would be entirely fair to cull/deport people who rely on benefits through no fault of their own (disability or whatever). Can we make it selective and just cull/deport the people who claim benefits because picking fruit is beneath them?
Have to agree with the "what about the little guy who's just been made redundant" how about something along the lines of:
- A review of every single claim currently being made
If it turns out to be legit ie Joe Bloggs paying NI for years and just needing some support while finding a new job then fine they are safe.
if it turns out its jimmy chav and the rest of the family, either Enlist them all in the army/ forces or have them all promtply shot.
As each case is resolved in the above fashion you will be able to either divert the civil servants being put out of work into other areas of govt that may be more practical/ retrain them all as doctors and nurses, or shott them too who knows :P
- A review of every single claim currently being made
If it turns out to be legit ie Joe Bloggs paying NI for years and just needing some support while finding a new job then fine they are safe.
if it turns out its jimmy chav and the rest of the family, either Enlist them all in the army/ forces or have them all promtply shot.
As each case is resolved in the above fashion you will be able to either divert the civil servants being put out of work into other areas of govt that may be more practical/ retrain them all as doctors and nurses, or shott them too who knows :P
Rude-boy said:
Works well until you consider those who have worked all their lives, paid into the system everything asked of them and then find themselves being made redundant.
Because they haven't been a work shy fop they are far enough up the pyramid that there just aren't that many jobs they they are qualified to do. People will not employ a manager who was on £50k to do a job which is only worth £25k because (usually rightly) they assume that the first sign of more money they will be off.
Hence you end up with a highly qualified person who is excellent at their job but who no one will employ because they are 'over qualified' and they end up on the rock and roll for 18 months.
Because they haven't been a work shy fop they are far enough up the pyramid that there just aren't that many jobs they they are qualified to do. People will not employ a manager who was on £50k to do a job which is only worth £25k because (usually rightly) they assume that the first sign of more money they will be off.
Hence you end up with a highly qualified person who is excellent at their job but who no one will employ because they are 'over qualified' and they end up on the rock and roll for 18 months.
rescynic said:
Have to agree with the "what about the little guy who's just been made redundant" how about something along the lines of:
- A review of every single claim currently being made
If it turns out to be legit ie Joe Bloggs paying NI for years and just needing some support while finding a new job then fine they are safe.
if it turns out its jimmy chav and the rest of the family, either Enlist them all in the army/ forces or have them all promtply shot.
As each case is resolved in the above fashion you will be able to either divert the civil servants being put out of work into other areas of govt that may be more practical/ retrain them all as doctors and nurses, or shott them too who knows :P
Believe me- they do all this.- A review of every single claim currently being made
If it turns out to be legit ie Joe Bloggs paying NI for years and just needing some support while finding a new job then fine they are safe.
if it turns out its jimmy chav and the rest of the family, either Enlist them all in the army/ forces or have them all promtply shot.
As each case is resolved in the above fashion you will be able to either divert the civil servants being put out of work into other areas of govt that may be more practical/ retrain them all as doctors and nurses, or shott them too who knows :P
Unfortunately, turning the UK into a society where the poor and the weak just die is not an option.
Of course there are spongers and they should lose their benefits. But trying to sort out the benefit addicts from the genuine hard cases is appallingly difficult.
Heard something yesterday (think it was Radio 2) about benefits being there to support people through hard times
This is key
Benefit support for a maximum of 1 year in 10, unless you are quite obviously disabled and prevented from carrying out ANY work full time
(so as said above, cannot pick fruit, carry out menial office tasks, etc)
How much more simple could it be?
It is, and always has been, wrong for someone to live off benefits long term unless genuinely mentally/physically disabled
And for good measure:
Those that are on benefits whilst physically and mentally fit should be angaged in community work for, say, 20 hours a week (that way they still have chance to go to interviews, etc)
I'm sure others will now find big holes in the above, but I for one would vote for any party putting the above forward
This is key
Benefit support for a maximum of 1 year in 10, unless you are quite obviously disabled and prevented from carrying out ANY work full time
(so as said above, cannot pick fruit, carry out menial office tasks, etc)
How much more simple could it be?
It is, and always has been, wrong for someone to live off benefits long term unless genuinely mentally/physically disabled
And for good measure:
Those that are on benefits whilst physically and mentally fit should be angaged in community work for, say, 20 hours a week (that way they still have chance to go to interviews, etc)
I'm sure others will now find big holes in the above, but I for one would vote for any party putting the above forward
Edited by AngryApples on Friday 13th November 15:36
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