Why I keep harping on about 1-7/8 headers!
Why I keep harping on about 1-7/8 headers!
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ringram

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279 months

Wednesday 18th November 2009
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http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/dynamometer-results-...

"Total gain for headers and dyno tune: 50rwhp/42rwtq
Hats off to American Racing Headers for making an outstanding product. The 1 7/8" headers lose nothing to 1 3/4" headers down low, but gain at higher rpm. On a hotter 6.2L G8 GXP, the gains would be even larger."

Bonnie and Clyde

11,701 posts

223 months

Wednesday 18th November 2009
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What headers do i have Rich??

ringram

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Wednesday 18th November 2009
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Need you ask smile

after_shock

8,751 posts

251 months

Wednesday 18th November 2009
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Very impressive, maybes I should have gone with 1 7/8' ones

Take the ones on that link are ceramic coated or something going from the colour of them?

SimonV8ster

13,024 posts

259 months

Wednesday 18th November 2009
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But thats with the headers AND a re-tune ? It also says it would be better on a 6.2 higher up the rev range.

Does this mean it may not benefit 5.7 or 6.0 owners by much ?? Don't know myself - just playing devils advocat.

Agree its still a good result by changing the zorst and giving it a tune.

ARAF

20,759 posts

254 months

Wednesday 18th November 2009
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You mean that a 5.7 or 6.0 may be better with the back-pressure from the restricted system? whistle


What do you think Rich? hehe

Bonnie and Clyde

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223 months

Wednesday 18th November 2009
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ringram said:
Need you ask
No really i dont know

ringram

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Wednesday 18th November 2009
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That is on a 6L mate. There are other threads showing gains on LS1 as well..

gsd2000

11,515 posts

214 months

Wednesday 18th November 2009
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Would these headers work fine with a twin 2.5" catback? Or would you need a twin 3" catback?

gsd2000

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214 months

Wednesday 18th November 2009
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Oh yeah on an ls1

ringram

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Wednesday 18th November 2009
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Probably not much point changing if you have already purchased mate. There isnt going to be a lot in it over a 1.3/4, 2.5" setup. But if you havnt already got one and want max power, then its worth proper consideration.
Replacing what you have is a bad bhp per £ result.


paul450

7,948 posts

206 months

Wednesday 18th November 2009
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ringram if i was looking to fit them to a 6.2 vxr8 would these fit

http://americanracingheaders.com/G8_C

007 VXR

64,187 posts

218 months

Wednesday 18th November 2009
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what size are the wortec ones on the monaro ?? (6.0vxr)

MadMaxHSV

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229 months

Wednesday 18th November 2009
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007 VXR said:
what size are the wortec ones on the monaro ?? (6.0vxr)
Wortec headers are 1-3/4" IIRC.

ringram

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Wednesday 18th November 2009
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paul450 said:
ringram if i was looking to fit them to a 6.2 vxr8 would these fit

http://americanracingheaders.com/G8_Catalog.htm
Sadly not due to steering on the other side. The only ones I know of in that size are Difilippo for the Holden. A few of us got them from there, I think Rapid are dealers for them, but I got mine direct.

Well there are other Oz makes, but thats the best brand by all accounts. You might be able to just get the headers and have the rest of the exhaust made up here in 3" On the LS3 you will almost certainly gain a fair amount.

paul450

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206 months

Wednesday 18th November 2009
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ringram said:
paul450 said:
ringram if i was looking to fit them to a 6.2 vxr8 would these fit

http://americanracingheaders.com/G8_C


Sadly not due to steering on the other side. The only ones I know of in that size are Difilippo for the Holden. A few of us got them from there, I think Rapid are dealers for them, but I got mine direct.

Well there are other Oz makes, but thats the best brand by all accounts. You might be able to just get the headers and have the rest of the exhaust made up here in 3" On the LS3 you will almost certainly gain a fair amount.


thanks. seen these aswell anygood ? ultimately looking for 400-450 rwhp in the end.

http://xforce.com.au/cars/view_car/38

ringram

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Thursday 19th November 2009
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I think someone else on here has them. But they are not 1-7/8 so personally I wouldnt bother.
Do you want 450rwhp with NA or FI?
What engine do you have?
If you want FI then you can pretty much bolt on a blower and have your goal.
NA you might need to look at a stroker, though you should meet your goal with heads and a stout cam.

It therefore also depends on what sort of driveability you are after. A stroker will drive nice with none of the issues that blowers have.

S800VXR

5,877 posts

231 months

Thursday 19th November 2009
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ringram said:
I think someone else on here has them. But they are not 1-7/8 so personally I wouldnt bother.
Do you want 450rwhp with NA or FI?
What engine do you have?
If you want FI then you can pretty much bolt on a blower and have your goal.
NA you might need to look at a stroker, though you should meet your goal with heads and a stout cam.

It therefore also depends on what sort of driveability you are after. A stroker will drive nice with none of the issues that blowers have.
And what issues are they then apart from blowing up when not built properly... Only issue I can think of is to much torque low down which causes embarrising wheelspins and tailslides off roundabouts... smile

ringram

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Thursday 19th November 2009
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Well yeah, that mainly, plus blowing oil around the place, slipping belts & worn belts. You told us you replaced yours every month or so.
Less fuel efficient under load too.

So ok not a massive list, but long enough for me to want to avoid all of them. Its the niggly things that hurt!

Bonnie and Clyde

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223 months

Thursday 19th November 2009
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MadMaxHSV said:
007 VXR said:
what size are the wortec ones on the monaro ?? (6.0vxr)


Wortec headers are 1-3/4" IIRC.
Oh is that what i have then??? (Cheers Rich for the info )