Maggie 2300 Charger
Maggie 2300 Charger
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Well_Fans

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4,193 posts

255 months

Wednesday 18th November 2009
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Just got my GM Performance mag in and they've got a report on fitting one of the new Maggies (as used by wormus) to a 2010 LS3 manual Camaro - now okay its American dyno figures but they saw nearly 140 rwhp gain over stock!!!!! Seem to recall a few folk questioning the gains that were being claimed at the time because the older models were just about making those sort of gains in fwhp figures rather than at the wheels. Really does look like these new chargers are the dogs danglies for making huge power gains for relatively small amounts of money. Also suggest that anyone considering fitting one probably wants to think about saving up for some new internals as well

007 VXR

64,187 posts

218 months

Thursday 19th November 2009
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so what should a h122 on 9psi and rwhp ??

crisisjez

9,209 posts

236 months

Thursday 19th November 2009
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Well_Fans said:
Just got my GM Performance mag in and they've got a report on fitting one of the new Maggies (as used by wormus) to a 2010 LS3 manual Camaro - now okay its American dyno figures but they saw nearly 140 rwhp gain over stock!!!!! Seem to recall a few folk questioning the gains that were being claimed at the time because the older models were just about making those sort of gains in fwhp figures rather than at the wheels. Really does look like these new chargers are the dogs danglies for making huge power gains for relatively small amounts of money. Also suggest that anyone considering fitting one probably wants to think about saving up for some new internals as well


Does it mention the actuall boost pressures used for the gain in the mag Bob? I have no doubt that at high boost such numbers are achievable( as they are already with a 122). Its the Thermal efficiency that is better on these bad boys so I`m guessing thay can run higher boost for longer over their predecessors which is where the gains are.
If you wind back to the thread you are mentioning the real question was more to do with how so much gain was made with only 7psi on a std engine than the actual amount of power the TVS is capable of producing at max boost.

( That gain incidentally, was over 130 UK ponies at 7psi BTW) beer



Edited by crisisjez on Thursday 19th November 02:44

vxrphantom

997 posts

236 months

Thursday 19th November 2009
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007 VXR said:
so what should a h122 on 9psi and rwhp ??


On an LS3 it is 500 rwhp

Well_Fans

Original Poster:

4,193 posts

255 months

Thursday 19th November 2009
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no mention of boost level in the article unfortunately but as it was installed onto a completely stock engine taking it from circa 360rwhp to 500rwhp I'd suggest they couldnt have been running that a high a boost level. I'll try emailing them and get the info though...

Bonnie and Clyde

11,701 posts

223 months

Thursday 19th November 2009
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This may be a crazy question but is it possible to have a TT set up and have a TVS2300 fitted as well???
If it were possible then imagine what it would doyikes

S800VXR

5,877 posts

231 months

Thursday 19th November 2009
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Bonnie and Clyde said:
This may be a crazy question but is it possible to have a TT set up and have a TVS2300 fitted as well???
If it were possible then imagine what it would doyikes
3 forced entry points... some women!!

EssexVXR8

1,790 posts

218 months

Thursday 19th November 2009
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lick IVE GOT BOTH!!!!!hehe

007 VXR

64,187 posts

218 months

Thursday 19th November 2009
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vxrphantom said:
007 VXR said:
so what should a h122 on 9psi and rwhp ??
On an LS3 it is 500 rwhp
if so what would the h122 do on an LS2 @9psi RWHP????

S800VXR

5,877 posts

231 months

Thursday 19th November 2009
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007 VXR said:
vxrphantom said:
007 VXR said:
so what should a h122 on 9psi and rwhp ??
On an LS3 it is 500 rwhp
if so what would the h122 do on an LS2 @9psi RWHP????
Probably about 450rwhp based on my experiance.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

221 months

Thursday 19th November 2009
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Well_Fans said:
Just got my GM Performance mag in and they've got a report on fitting one of the new Maggies (as used by wormus) to a 2010 LS3 manual Camaro - now okay its American dyno figures but they saw nearly 140 rwhp gain over stock!!!!! Seem to recall a few folk questioning the gains that were being claimed at the time because the older models were just about making those sort of gains in fwhp figures rather than at the wheels. Really does look like these new chargers are the dogs danglies for making huge power gains for relatively small amounts of money. Also suggest that anyone considering fitting one probably wants to think about saving up for some new internals as well biggrin
I think with US claims there are certain things to remember. Inertia based dynos which are by far and away the most common over there will produce higher numbers than eddy current load bearing dynos. This rule applies here in the UK too.

You also need to loom at all variables too. Such as were the figures corrected or not. And then what fuel was being used 99 octane there is PON not RON so would offer up more hp and safer on a boosted motor.

Another thing is when they say stock. They don't always mean stock. I know guys out there running "stock" trannys. Yet they are fully rebuilt with upgraded parts and oil coolers.


Is the Maggie still an Eaton M112R?

Personaly would have thought a centrifugal or twin screw would be a better bet but I'm basing this on the maggie kits offered for the C5 and 6.

007 VXR

64,187 posts

218 months

Thursday 19th November 2009
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S800VXR said:
007 VXR said:
vxrphantom said:
007 VXR said:
so what should a h122 on 9psi and rwhp ??
On an LS3 it is 500 rwhp
if so what would the h122 do on an LS2 @9psi RWHP????
Probably about 450rwhp based on my experiance.
is that just with the S/C of with other mods ?

S800VXR

5,877 posts

231 months

Thursday 19th November 2009
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Full Wortec system and headers, sports cats and re-map to suit. Oh and a CAI kit. If money is an issue I would stay away from the SC route as it gets expensive! Strickly speaking I would not purchase another SC engine without forged pistons as the stock ones are just waiting to go, in my case I got away with murder for a while but they went in the end, the same as a few others on here, its just not worth the time and expense to play with stock ones... IMHO of course.

ringram

14,702 posts

279 months

Thursday 19th November 2009
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S800VXR said:
Probably about 450rwhp based on my experiance.
yes

Add a proper cam and it will hit 500rwhp UK easy.

ESSEX, how about some pics of your setup?

donk r8

2,755 posts

227 months

Thursday 19th November 2009
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Hopefully having mine fitted next month linked in with the otrcai.............bounce

MyM8V8

9,468 posts

226 months

Thursday 19th November 2009
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Well_Fans said:
Really does look like these new chargers are the dogs danglies for making huge power gains for relatively small amounts of money............................................ Also suggest that anyone considering fitting one probably wants to think about saving up for some new internals as well biggrin
Now there's a paradox if I ever heard one.


S800VXR said:

Full Wortec system and headers, sports cats and re-map to suit. Oh and a CAI kit. If money is an issue I would stay away from the SC route as it gets expensive! Strickly speaking I would not purchase another SC engine without forged pistons as the stock ones are just waiting to go, in my case I got away with murder for a while but they went in the end, the same as a few others on here, its just not worth the time and expense to play with stock ones... IMHO of course.
So the truth of the matter is that when you are quoted a cheap price for a supercharger installed and mapped, it ain't that cheap when you have to do it properly and fit the forged internals as well!



MyM8V8

9,468 posts

226 months

Thursday 19th November 2009
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donk r8 said:
Hopefully having mine fitted next month linked in with the otrcai.............bounce
Who's doing that for you Chris? Is it Mafless?

Bonnie and Clyde

11,701 posts

223 months

Thursday 19th November 2009
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S800VXR said:
Bonnie and Clyde said:
This may be a crazy question but is it possible to have a TT set up and have a TVS2300 fitted as well???
If it were possible then imagine what it would doyikes


3 forced entry points... some women!!
We all have three dear

ringram

14,702 posts

279 months

Thursday 19th November 2009
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S800VXR said:
Full Wortec system and headers, sports cats and re-map to suit. Oh and a CAI kit. If money is an issue I would stay away from the SC route as it gets expensive! Strickly speaking I would not purchase another SC engine without forged pistons as the stock ones are just waiting to go, in my case I got away with murder for a while but they went in the end, the same as a few others on here, its just not worth the time and expense to play with stock ones... IMHO of course.
Music to my ears.

Soon you will join the next dot up and see that most power goals can be realised with just a forged engine and save the expense and complexity of all the additional garbage.

Of course if you want north of 550rwhp you will need some power adder, but under that IMO there is zero point.

S800VXR

5,877 posts

231 months

Thursday 19th November 2009
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Richard - you on NA commision or what!!!

We all know your car is the dogs nuts and very fast - just not the fastest at anything... hehe