"identifying" a driver for NIP

[bin man]

just wondered if this has ever happened to anyone...and what the outcome was.

what happens if it was a "friend from overseas" that was driving your car at the time of the incident. Said friend had UK fully comp insurance at the time ( therefore legally covered to drive any insured car third party)....but he has now moved overseas to..........Brazil


Bin Man

[blueyes]

They'll ask for air ticket stubs or port/airport of entry. You can tell them to "stick it" as you've discharged you obligation, but if you're lying and they find out...you'll go to prison.

Your choice!

Friend of mine did it but it was a genuine case. He had the air ticket stubs the first time, sent them off and nothing more was heard. Trouble was his daughter was caught twice in his car, whilst over here (thought it was lightning!) and the second time they asked for proof he told them to stick it and heard nothing.

[misternomer]

I can 100% confirm what the last poster said.

I have a mate in the states who is my 'camera buddy' Whenever anyone I know gets NIPs they identify him as the driver and give his correct address. We've never even been asked for a flight number or a ticket stub. In eakch instance my mate wasn't even contacted.

Remember - your sole duty is to inform plod who was driving. If they can't find him or her becaise they live in Baghdad then that's thier lookout. They can't ask you to provide proof. That's their job.

[bin man]

thanks for the info guys....seems it can work.

i'm currently some way down the unsigned NIP route.....just waiting for either the court hearing date for S172 or receiving the pictures ( am holding back on the PACE letter)

but reckon i'll soon be at the crossroads of having to decide between:

1) it was me or my wife..... we can't remember...so prosecute us both ... "a la Hamiltons"

or

2) it was my mate who visited who lives in Brazil/Italy/Lithuania

[suggs]

misternomer said:

I can 100% confirm what the last poster said. I have a mate in the states who is my 'camera buddy' Whenever anyone I know gets NIPs they identify him as the driver and give his correct address. We've never even been asked for a flight number or a ticket stub. In eakch instance my mate wasn't even contacted. Remember - your sole duty is to inform plod who was driving. If they can't find him or her becaise they live in Baghdad then that's thier lookout. They can't ask you to provide proof. That's their job.

It seems to me that car hire firms at airports must get loads of NIPS for drivers who have left the country. Perhaps they get special dispensation.

[blueyes]

suggs said:

It seems to me that car hire firms at airports must get loads of NIPS for drivers who have left the country. Perhaps they get special dispensation.

Nope. You get the fine stuck on the credit card you booked the car with. You can't get the points though but, as all they are interested in is the money, they don't mind!

[Dwight VanDriver]

>>>>>Nope. You get the fine stuck on the credit card you booked the car with. You can't get the points though but, as all they are interested in is the money, they don't mind!<<<<<<<<

I stand to be corrected but Hire Firm cannot add speeding fines to a credit card.

They can however do it for Parking infringements and the like because the law, in the absence of an identifiable driver, holds the Reg. Keeper responsible for fines. Which is why if you get rid of a motor then you make sure DVLA is informed forthwith of the change. New procedure now with them is that they will send confirmation letter back, which should be retained, to stop you being clagged with a like fine.

Should BiB/The Lurr want to be R.C. then there is nothing to stop them laying an information with the Mags in the name of the foreign offender and entering his name in certain files, so that should he return to this Country a summons can be served. Not looked on with favour as not deemed to be cost effective, but it is there.

DVD.

[blueyes]

Not directly but:

"The Renter hereby agrees to respond to and settle any notice or proceedings received in respect of any offence committed under the Road Traffic Acts during the rental period and any other relevant loss in respect of the Vehicle and its use during the rental period which results in the imposition of fixed penalties or excess charges and to indemnify Europcar against any liabilities or expenses incurred hereunder."

then maybe they can....

"The cardholder will indemnify and guarantee Europcar on demand against all costs, expenses, losses, claims, proceedings and damages suffered or incurred by the cardholder or Europcar"

[james_j]

Paying in cash sounds like a good idea.

[zcacogp]

Bar Steward Hire Car people take a credit card number should there be any damage. And they keep this after the hire is complete.

I was stung with this by Europcar last summer with 3 cars hired in Italy. Serious fuss and threat of legal action taken with the booking agent in the UK (who claimed that I had to take it up with Europcar Italy, although my contract was with the agent, not Europcar) resulted in all extra costs refunded, plus some nice vouchers to use next time we hire cars with them.

However, these costs were not related to speeding or parking fines. Sorry.


Oli.

[JMGS4]

blueyes said:

Nope. You get the fine stuck on the credit card you booked the car with. You can't get the points though but, as all they are interested in is the money, they don't mind!

And then refuse the payment......been there, done that.... the ferkers get stuck with it.....

[Boosted LS1]

This has got me thinking!

Why not pick a name from the death register, lacking in taste but they'de be hard pushed to get a conviction let alone payment. Or could you not make up a name for a pikey and let them av it instead. Find a caravan site near you, bound to be one.