Sagaris - big question.....
Discussion
....how tough is it?
Could one be tracked weekly, doing short blasts around a short course for most of the day?
I've no ability under the bonnet, but could a decentmaniac mechanic keep things in working order......I'm thinking the power plant and the clutch mainly.
How would one stand up to being driven by relative amatuer drivers?
Are there any of the standard diff mods that would be a must if a Sag was to be used in this manner?
Sorry for all the queries.....thinking outside my normal (?!) box....
Thanks guys! (and gals)
Could one be tracked weekly, doing short blasts around a short course for most of the day?
I've no ability under the bonnet, but could a decent
How would one stand up to being driven by relative amatuer drivers?
Are there any of the standard diff mods that would be a must if a Sag was to be used in this manner?
Sorry for all the queries.....thinking outside my normal (?!) box....
Thanks guys! (and gals)
Will it be 'ard enough! not sure what you mean?
Anyway, It depends how fast you want to go & how deep your pockets are especially going to be regular tracking the car, the odd one won't harm as long as it has been properly, regulary maintained & good tyres. Easiest standard TVR to track fast & confidently.
Anyway, It depends how fast you want to go & how deep your pockets are especially going to be regular tracking the car, the odd one won't harm as long as it has been properly, regulary maintained & good tyres. Easiest standard TVR to track fast & confidently.
.Don't doubt it John I have never had the pleasure of driving one on track. On reflection, I was baseing my reply on my previous & friends TVR's on track, driven most modern ones inc T440 or Tuscan R. Did drive one on the road once near Croft a while back which Tony lent me for 20 minutes & was a delight...
Slightly surprised though, with you owning both & proper knowing how to drive it must be...
Slightly surprised though, with you owning both & proper knowing how to drive it must be...
shaunsmith said:
Slightly surprised though, with you owning both & proper knowing how to drive it must be...
I just dont like the standard understeery Sag Shaun, nowt to do with me maybe thinking I can drive.. As it happens the Tamora that sits in our Garage is the Brides, and she has good taste (must have, I still get let in the house
)TVR_owner said:
shaunsmith said:
Slightly surprised though, with you owning both & proper knowing how to drive it must be...
I just dont like the standard understeery Sag Shaun, nowt to do with me maybe thinking I can drive.. As it happens the Tamora that sits in our Garage is the Brides, and she has good taste (must have, I still get let in the house
)I cured mine with a couple sand bags...
Only kiddin!!!
Edited by shaunsmith on Tuesday 24th November 12:15
shaunsmith said:
Will it be 'ard enough! not sure what you mean?
OK, I'm thinking of a "6th gear experience" style usage for the car....letting it out to anyone with a driving licence for a couple of laps around an airfield - you know the sort of thing.....don't worry yourselves with the financial and business elements, or the emotional termoil of letting 'fat uncle Geoff' ride your clutch down the main straight....I really want to know whether a Sag would be up to the job....I know it will require good maintenance, but assuming this, could this be the right car to join the fleet....?
JCB123 said:
shaunsmith said:
Will it be 'ard enough! not sure what you mean?
OK, I'm thinking of a "6th gear experience" style usage for the car....letting it out to anyone with a driving licence for a couple of laps around an airfield - you know the sort of thing.....don't worry yourselves with the financial and business elements, or the emotional termoil of letting 'fat uncle Geoff' ride your clutch down the main straight....I really want to know whether a Sag would be up to the job....I know it will require good maintenance, but assuming this, could this be the right car to join the fleet....?
Edited by TVR_owner on Tuesday 24th November 12:09
No first laps below anything - remote cut off switch installed just in case though!
It sounds as if the Sag may fit the bill.....it's more of an experience oppurtunity for people to have a drive, rather than providing them with a racing experience.....I didn't go to 6th Gear Experience to try and hone myself into the next Jenson Button, but so I could turn around and say "I've driven an Aston, Gallardo, Atom, Caterham and LP640" (blimey - I've been too many times)
I think a Sag would do well, as long as it doesn't blow up or anything daft....I think people will want a go in a truly brutal, noisey, proper, BRITISH car!
It sounds as if the Sag may fit the bill.....it's more of an experience oppurtunity for people to have a drive, rather than providing them with a racing experience.....I didn't go to 6th Gear Experience to try and hone myself into the next Jenson Button, but so I could turn around and say "I've driven an Aston, Gallardo, Atom, Caterham and LP640" (blimey - I've been too many times)
I think a Sag would do well, as long as it doesn't blow up or anything daft....I think people will want a go in a truly brutal, noisey, proper, BRITISH car!
I think it would be ok, certainly on the more tame/governed type of experience days, rather than hard 20 track sessions...at least you could control it being warmed up in the morning, and someone in the pax seat advising the novice driver
...our old Sag did 32K miles in 3 years, with 3 trackdays in that time, with nothing other than regular service maintenance.
It did like a drop of oil, probably check it daily for track use, but cant think of anything else thats really fragile IMO
...our old Sag did 32K miles in 3 years, with 3 trackdays in that time, with nothing other than regular service maintenance.
It did like a drop of oil, probably check it daily for track use, but cant think of anything else thats really fragile IMO
One of the track-hire companies had a Sag on their fleet a few years ago, alongside the usual suspects - I have it in a mag somewhere, will advise, you could ask their experience with it doing exactly this?
Clutch, cooling system if not perfect, and some electrical niggles would be weak points worth keeping an eye on in my experience of track use with the T350. Body repairs from numpties would be a bit more involved than 7's etc, I know that's covered by your company insurance but you'd be looking at several weeks off track not paying it's way I suppose.
You'd benefit with more neg camber than standard if used primarily on track, to minimise tyre shoulder overheating & rapid wear and add stability and progression to handling.
Clutch, cooling system if not perfect, and some electrical niggles would be weak points worth keeping an eye on in my experience of track use with the T350. Body repairs from numpties would be a bit more involved than 7's etc, I know that's covered by your company insurance but you'd be looking at several weeks off track not paying it's way I suppose.
You'd benefit with more neg camber than standard if used primarily on track, to minimise tyre shoulder overheating & rapid wear and add stability and progression to handling.
Edited by tail slide on Tuesday 24th November 17:17
bogie said:
I think it would be ok, certainly on the more tame/governed type of experience days, rather than hard 20 track sessions...at least you could control it being warmed up in the morning, and someone in the pax seat advising the novice driver
...our old Sag did 32K miles in 3 years, with 3 trackdays in that time, with nothing other than regular service maintenance.
It did like a drop of oil, probably check it daily for track use, but cant think of anything else thats really fragile IMO
Thanks - where abouts are you, your profile suggests you are really large and you occupy 3 counties....I'm in North Lincs and I've only ever seen one Sag grace our awesome country roads....could it've been you that dropped into the Jenny Wren Inn in Susworth?...our old Sag did 32K miles in 3 years, with 3 trackdays in that time, with nothing other than regular service maintenance.
It did like a drop of oil, probably check it daily for track use, but cant think of anything else thats really fragile IMO
tail slide said:
One of the track-hire companies had a Sag on their fleet a few years ago, alongside the usual suspects - I have it in a mag somewhere, will advise, you could ask their experience with it doing exactly this?
Clutch, cooling system if not perfect, and some electrical niggles would be weak points worth keeping an eye on in my experience of track use with the T350. Body repairs from numpties would be a bit more involved than 7's etc, I know that's covered by your company insurance but you'd be looking at several weeks off track not paying it's way I suppose.
You'd benefit with more neg camber than standard if used primarily on track, to minimise tyre shoulder overheating & rapid wear and add stability and progression to handling.
Great response - thanks....I'm more reassured than ever....best start the next stages then.....Clutch, cooling system if not perfect, and some electrical niggles would be weak points worth keeping an eye on in my experience of track use with the T350. Body repairs from numpties would be a bit more involved than 7's etc, I know that's covered by your company insurance but you'd be looking at several weeks off track not paying it's way I suppose.
You'd benefit with more neg camber than standard if used primarily on track, to minimise tyre shoulder overheating & rapid wear and add stability and progression to handling.
Edited by tail slide on Tuesday 24th November 17:17
JCB123 said:
I think a Sag would do well, as long as it doesn't blow up or anything daft....I think people will want a go in a truly brutal, noisey, proper, BRITISH car!
I agree that it would attract people, it’s an iconic car from an iconic company and I’m sure many people would jump at the opportunity to have ago and stretch its legs, the people going on these days want to drive something special and dramatic and I think it fits the bill from the selection of TVR’s available.You may go through a few clutches though; I imagine most people not used to a race clutch will ride it a lot. As for engine reliability if I was unsure I’d invest in a rebuild, if a company would still warranty it for that use? (Then at least you know the engine is sorted before it starts being abused). I can’t imagine it been much worse than other exotic machinery.
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