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i resent it.
knowing how governments love to sell the information it gleams from the general populace ( DVLA for example ) how long before they start selling the DNA samples to the insurance companies so that they can charge us more because we have a genetic "trait" the leads towards Dementia / senility / cancer ?
no thanks!
knowing how governments love to sell the information it gleams from the general populace ( DVLA for example ) how long before they start selling the DNA samples to the insurance companies so that they can charge us more because we have a genetic "trait" the leads towards Dementia / senility / cancer ?
no thanks!
I would, as i'd start to worry about what items have my DNA on that could link me to a crime scene, from a hair transported on someone's clothing, fibres passed on from a seat on a train onto someone that could make it look like you were at the other end of the country, to getting a bill for 2087 fags butts picked up in various counties.
I feel that DNA is currently overhyped as a definitive piece of evidence, and the slightest trace of my DNA on something will end up with me getting into trouble.
I feel that DNA is currently overhyped as a definitive piece of evidence, and the slightest trace of my DNA on something will end up with me getting into trouble.
Mine is already on there, so I don't really care. But with the cases where people get their DNA taken and are then later released without charge, without their DNA being removed from the database disgust me. As does being forced to provide your DNA.
Its just another form of control.
I think an apocalypse would do us a favour.
Its just another form of control.
I think an apocalypse would do us a favour.
I don't think it's a problem really.
I mean, with the way the government handles most situations in this country, there's every chance they'll completely f
k up the DNA record anyway.
How long before some 87 year old lady is accused of armed robbery because her DNA records show a match to the crime scene.
"Whoops!, sorry little old lady. We must have mixed your DNA sample up with this 23 year old ex-con, neo-nazi skinhead, an easy mistake to make"
I mean, with the way the government handles most situations in this country, there's every chance they'll completely f
k up the DNA record anyway.How long before some 87 year old lady is accused of armed robbery because her DNA records show a match to the crime scene.
"Whoops!, sorry little old lady. We must have mixed your DNA sample up with this 23 year old ex-con, neo-nazi skinhead, an easy mistake to make"
I caught a bit of the Jeremy Vine show yesterday. Normally I get in the car and switch him off as he annoys the hell out of me.
One young lad (aged 9/10) I think was caught throwing stones and taken down the police station. At this point his DNA was taken. When his Mum arrived to pick him up her DNA was taken as well!
They are creating a Database in a very underhand and stealth way.
One young lad (aged 9/10) I think was caught throwing stones and taken down the police station. At this point his DNA was taken. When his Mum arrived to pick him up her DNA was taken as well!
They are creating a Database in a very underhand and stealth way.
I would object - vigorously....
Lets put it another way - its estimated that over 10% of the DVLA database is incorrect somehow (address, name, car details etc) and that is one agency responsible for it. If we look at a national DNA database, we are talking 3,4 or even more agencies that will have access to and updating of the database.
So the risk of getting the smallest thing wrong is MASSIVE - and getting your address wrong for your car is one thing, maybe it will cost you a few quid in a pointless fine. Annoying I know. But when you are fighting a criminal court case and looking down the barrel of a prison sentence, its a different matter. Especially when you are fighting against a 1 in a billion proven scientific evidence system! The science is sound, the system for the capture, storage and access to the data isn't.
And I haven't even mentioned the options for operators to be paid to change records. We have had this type of thing in the HMCE, Home Office and the Police - who is to say that this wouldn't happen for the DNA database?
We can't trust the government to do anything at the moment, and putting people on a DNA database is one of the most dangerous that I can think of. Nope, I am dead against it and I would fight hand and foot to ensure that it doesn't happen.
Lets put it another way - its estimated that over 10% of the DVLA database is incorrect somehow (address, name, car details etc) and that is one agency responsible for it. If we look at a national DNA database, we are talking 3,4 or even more agencies that will have access to and updating of the database.
So the risk of getting the smallest thing wrong is MASSIVE - and getting your address wrong for your car is one thing, maybe it will cost you a few quid in a pointless fine. Annoying I know. But when you are fighting a criminal court case and looking down the barrel of a prison sentence, its a different matter. Especially when you are fighting against a 1 in a billion proven scientific evidence system! The science is sound, the system for the capture, storage and access to the data isn't.
And I haven't even mentioned the options for operators to be paid to change records. We have had this type of thing in the HMCE, Home Office and the Police - who is to say that this wouldn't happen for the DNA database?
We can't trust the government to do anything at the moment, and putting people on a DNA database is one of the most dangerous that I can think of. Nope, I am dead against it and I would fight hand and foot to ensure that it doesn't happen.
I'm not sure, really. I don't plan on doing any crimes (major or minor) so in that respect it shouldn't really be an issue. However, some of the statistics worry me ...
Even if the error rate is only 1%, that's still 550,000 errors on a UK wide database.
Depending on what figures you believe, The way the DNA signature is coded is unique to 1 in a million or 1 in 5 million. (I read this in a tabloid, so it may be garbage). So that means that between 10 and 55 people share the same DNA coding as me. If one of those other 9 to 54 people commit a crime and leave DNA, then I would come up in the search. There may be no other reason for me to be in that list of suspects, but as it was the easiest thing to do, it would likely be the first action taken by investigating officers.
So, on balance, no, I don't think so.
Even if the error rate is only 1%, that's still 550,000 errors on a UK wide database.
Depending on what figures you believe, The way the DNA signature is coded is unique to 1 in a million or 1 in 5 million. (I read this in a tabloid, so it may be garbage). So that means that between 10 and 55 people share the same DNA coding as me. If one of those other 9 to 54 people commit a crime and leave DNA, then I would come up in the search. There may be no other reason for me to be in that list of suspects, but as it was the easiest thing to do, it would likely be the first action taken by investigating officers.
So, on balance, no, I don't think so.
off_again said:
..... when you are fighting a criminal court case and looking down the barrel of a prison sentence, its a different matter. Especially when you are fighting against a 1 in a billion proven scientific evidence system! The science is sound, the system for the capture, storage and access to the data isn't.
Again misinformation and misunderstanding rules. Yes the scinetific system works, but they would not use the results of the DNA database in the court room. The Database would only be used to help identify a possible suspect further DNA tests would then be carried out to ensure you have said DNA that then matches to the specimen that they have for the crime.Lets look at this way. Loads of people are happy to bleat on about the fact that the rozzers are struggling to solve many crimes. What is there was a small amount of DNA evidence left at the site of the petty theft, this was then put into the DNA database which then led them to the potential offender because his details are on there. This and a thousand other offences that normally would not be investigated would now be solved.
pmanson said:
I caught a bit of the Jeremy Vine show yesterday. Normally I get in the car and switch him off as he annoys the hell out of me.
One young lad (aged 9/10) I think was caught throwing stones and taken down the police station. At this point his DNA was taken. When his Mum arrived to pick him up her DNA was taken as well!
They are creating a Database in a very underhand and stealth way.
She had obviously thrown stones as well then..One young lad (aged 9/10) I think was caught throwing stones and taken down the police station. At this point his DNA was taken. When his Mum arrived to pick him up her DNA was taken as well!
They are creating a Database in a very underhand and stealth way.
And whats stealthy about having a cop stick a cotton bud in your mouth?
Blackpig2 said:
pmanson said:
I caught a bit of the Jeremy Vine show yesterday. Normally I get in the car and switch him off as he annoys the hell out of me.
One young lad (aged 9/10) I think was caught throwing stones and taken down the police station. At this point his DNA was taken. When his Mum arrived to pick him up her DNA was taken as well!
They are creating a Database in a very underhand and stealth way.
She had obviously thrown stones as well then..One young lad (aged 9/10) I think was caught throwing stones and taken down the police station. At this point his DNA was taken. When his Mum arrived to pick him up her DNA was taken as well!
They are creating a Database in a very underhand and stealth way.
And whats stealthy about having a cop stick a cotton bud in your mouth?
Even if you are found not guilty/not charged with anything your DNA is still kept on record.
What next? Receive a NIP in the post along with a DNA swab kit to complete and send back?
The DVLA will sell the details of who owns your car for as little as £2... how long until they start selling our DNA profiles?
pmanson said:
Blackpig2 said:
pmanson said:
I caught a bit of the Jeremy Vine show yesterday. Normally I get in the car and switch him off as he annoys the hell out of me.
One young lad (aged 9/10) I think was caught throwing stones and taken down the police station. At this point his DNA was taken. When his Mum arrived to pick him up her DNA was taken as well!
They are creating a Database in a very underhand and stealth way.
She had obviously thrown stones as well then..One young lad (aged 9/10) I think was caught throwing stones and taken down the police station. At this point his DNA was taken. When his Mum arrived to pick him up her DNA was taken as well!
They are creating a Database in a very underhand and stealth way.
And whats stealthy about having a cop stick a cotton bud in your mouth?
Even if you are found not guilty/not charged with anything your DNA is still kept on record.
What next? Receive a NIP in the post along with a DNA swab kit to complete and send back?
The DVLA will sell the details of who owns your car for as little as £2... how long until they start selling our DNA profiles?
SystemParanoia said:
i resent it.
knowing how governments love to sell the information it gleams from the general populace ( DVLA for example ) how long before they start selling the DNA samples to the insurance companies so that they can charge us more because we have a genetic "trait" the leads towards Dementia / senility / cancer ?
no thanks!
YOur name was well chosen...knowing how governments love to sell the information it gleams from the general populace ( DVLA for example ) how long before they start selling the DNA samples to the insurance companies so that they can charge us more because we have a genetic "trait" the leads towards Dementia / senility / cancer ?
no thanks!
But I agree.
Not only with the above, but what aboot when the drug companies start to patent sequences>?
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