Champion driver sues over accuracy of rally notes

[thepawbroon]

Are they route notes, or pace notes? What's your opinion?

See here...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/highlands_and_...

editted coz I'm a technotw-t

Edited by thepawbroon on Friday 27th November 11:45

[CampDavid]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/highlands_and_...

This link should work

My opinion - He's a bit of a wker

[MHM]

I am assuming he bought or was given the notes.
Unless every other competitor on the event ended up wrecked in the ditch with him, I don't think he has a leg to stand on.

[thepawbroon]

Notes were bought from the Scottish Championship's sole provider. Nobody else went off there, although RM was first on the road so might have warned the others??

[Ralf Rockefeller]

What an fool- stop the "sue" culture.

You crashed, then bottled it.

[Nic jones]

They (normally, at least Patterson's notes do) specify they are only relating to the severity of the bend on the road and in no way should be used to dictate how fast you can negotiate the bend.

They are route notes, not pace notes as people often think.

This can be quite annoying when they write every single kink in the road and when you get there and call it the nutter behind the wheel just straightlines the whole lot and keeps his foot down flat.

[Ranger 6]

thepawbroon said:

Are they route notes, or pace notes? What's your opinion?

AFAIK all rally organisers who utilise the services of these notes provide them under the title of route notes, IMHO pace notes can only be done by the driver and navigator.

However some events allow recces and route notes can be amended by the crew into pace notes.

ETA: If these route notes weren't made available then there would be a return to 'blind' rallies, i.e. using maps alone as recces are not always possible

Edited by Ranger 6 on Friday 27th November 12:42

[lozriva]

CampDavid said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/highlands_and_...

This link should work

My opinion - He's a bit of a wker

+1 to that! in-fact +2

[lewis1]

Ranger 6 said:

thepawbroon said:

Are they route notes, or pace notes? What's your opinion?

AFAIK all rally organisers who utilise the services of these notes provide them under the title of route notes, IMHO pace notes can only be done by the driver and navigator.

However some events allow recces and route notes can be amended by the crew into pace notes.

ETA: If these route notes weren't made available then there would be a return to 'blind' rallies, i.e. using maps alone as recces are not always possible

Edited by Ranger 6 on Friday 27th November 12:42

Wow blind rallying sounds awesome! just like 12car navigational rallies but in forests. Awesome

[Charlie Foxtrot]

lewis1 said:

Ranger 6 said:

thepawbroon said:

Are they route notes, or pace notes? What's your opinion?

AFAIK all rally organisers who utilise the services of these notes provide them under the title of route notes, IMHO pace notes can only be done by the driver and navigator.

However some events allow recces and route notes can be amended by the crew into pace notes.

ETA: If these route notes weren't made available then there would be a return to 'blind' rallies, i.e. using maps alone as recces are not always possible

Edited by Ranger 6 on Friday 27th November 12:42

Wow blind rallying sounds awesome! just like 12car navigational rallies but in forests. Awesome

just how they used to be.

Watching old RAC dvds and the nav will say things like "over the crest there should be a medium left"

"should be" is not what you want to hear on Drummond Hill. of all the old things I'd like bringing back to rallying I prefer the RAC/Lombard rally with pace notes not tulip notes.

[EDLT]

Sounds odd for a former champion to be bothered about crashing, surely it can't have been his first time?

[The Moose]

As someone who has done a little Rally-Raiding, it is plainly obvious that they can never be 100% accurate anyway,

Also, who in their right fking mind would ever rely 100% on route notes?!?!

He fked up. I feel sorry for him - not nice at all!

Cheers

The Moose

[anonymous-user]

wow, thats an unbelievable case to bring. gobsmacked.

[4rephill]

lozriva said:

CampDavid said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/highlands_and_...

This link should work

My opinion - He's a bit of a wker

+1 to that! in-fact +2

+3!

"Since the crash he said he had been unable to concentrate or motivate himself".

He seems to be motivated enough to bring a £2M lawsuit!.

Whatever next?, suing the land owner of a rally stage after hitting a tree based on: "If the tree hadn't been there I wouldn't have crashed and could have carried on in the rally.Now I have a fear of tree's"?.

Surely there's some sort of disclaimer signed when you do a rally that says you accept that rallying is dangerous and that crashes can, and will from time to time, occur but you choose to accept the risk to participate?.

It reminds Me of the woman in the US Army who was suing them for trying to send her to Iraq.Her argument was that at no time when she joined the Army was she told that she could end up in a warzone!.

[skwdenyer]

4rephill said:

It reminds Me of the woman in the US Army who was suing them for trying to send her to Iraq.Her argument was that at no time when she joined the Army was she told that she could end up in a warzone!.

Do you have a link to this?

[Derek Smith]

It is a worrying aspect of modrn life. One would assume that the rally organisers took out public liability insurance for such matters so the chap himself would not be liable, but whatever the outcome he is going to lose something, such as time, money for solicitors, or enthusiasm for the sport he has spent his time supporting.

If the bloke doing the suing hadn't taken out his own insurance then in my mind he's a bit of an idiot. I took out insurance when I joined the police just in case I was sued. It was a no-cost add-on to my house insurance at the time but it eventually came to over £100. All that money just to pay for some solicitor's running costs for his Merc.

Whatever happened to personal responsbility?

The problem is that the ones making the rules are the ones who beneift from not making them. It's a free-for-all. We used to laugh at the Americans with their silly civil actions. Still, I suppose it's nice to beat them at something other than football.

[4rephill]

skwdenyer said:

4rephill said:

It reminds Me of the woman in the US Army who was suing them for trying to send her to Iraq.Her argument was that at no time when she joined the Army was she told that she could end up in a warzone!.

Do you have a link to this?

Here's the link to the story: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0621-05.ht...

She's claiming the warzone is being used to enhance sexual harrassment and part of the story reports:

"The soldier says the mistreatment began soon after she enlisted at 19, lulled by the assurances of her recruiters that she would never find herself in a war zone. Less than a year later, she was on her way to Kerbala, in southern Iraq, one of three women in her company...". This was the the main thing highlighted in the TV report.

I don't know the true details of her allegations,and if true,those involved deserve all the punishment possible, but who joins the Army thinking that they will never be asked to go to a warzone?. That's what Armies are for isn't it?.Surely a part of you would at least query the possibility of having to go to war with people other than the recruiters?.If it were Me, I'd want something in writing, especially in this day and age!.