Pension for new immigrants?
Discussion
My mum in law is from the Philippines, and has lived with us in the UK for four years now. She's 65 and has Permanent Leave To Remain visa status in the UK, and should/could get citizenship next year if she chooses.
My dad reckons she should be entitled to some sort of state pension when she becomes a citizen, but I argue that seeing as she has never paid anything into the system she can't be entitled to anything out.
He points out that the habitually unemployed/unemployable in the UK also never pay a penny in, but they take £millions out over their lifetimes.
So, does anybody know whether immigrants who never pay a dime in would be entitled to a pensions of some sorts when they reach retirement age?
My dad reckons she should be entitled to some sort of state pension when she becomes a citizen, but I argue that seeing as she has never paid anything into the system she can't be entitled to anything out.
He points out that the habitually unemployed/unemployable in the UK also never pay a penny in, but they take £millions out over their lifetimes.
So, does anybody know whether immigrants who never pay a dime in would be entitled to a pensions of some sorts when they reach retirement age?
KB_S1 said:
Surely her contributions to NI have been zero, therefore nothing to draw from?
My point exactly, but then many dole bludgers are much the same. Confusing.Apparently even non-contributors are entitled to not starve to death in old age. Such is the UK welfare state: the envy of the lazy and feckless the world over.
KH, in some threads you attack freeloaders etc...
And in the same breath on another you are trying to see if someone that has never contributed can claim a pension...
Can I suggest that you do what most married blokes would dream of and send the mother in law back to the other side of the world.
And in the same breath on another you are trying to see if someone that has never contributed can claim a pension...
Can I suggest that you do what most married blokes would dream of and send the mother in law back to the other side of the world.
I've been away from UK for sometime, but I thought NI contributions were kept up to date by signing on as unemployed.
With regard to KH's MIL I don't beleive the Philippines has a reciprical agreement. That's where payments in one country count towards payments in another. So probably not. However US and UK do ! Did she pick up any US units at 4 per year.
With regard to KH's MIL I don't beleive the Philippines has a reciprical agreement. That's where payments in one country count towards payments in another. So probably not. However US and UK do ! Did she pick up any US units at 4 per year.
King Herald said:
My mum in law is from the Philippines, and has lived with us in the UK for four years now. She's 65 and has Permanent Leave To Remain visa status in the UK, and should/could get citizenship next year if she chooses.
My dad reckons she should be entitled to some sort of state pension when she becomes a citizen, but I argue that seeing as she has never paid anything into the system she can't be entitled to anything out.
He points out that the habitually unemployed/unemployable in the UK also never pay a penny in, but they take £millions out over their lifetimes.
So, does anybody know whether immigrants who never pay a dime in would be entitled to a pensions of some sorts when they reach retirement age?
Christ. Is this the case?My dad reckons she should be entitled to some sort of state pension when she becomes a citizen, but I argue that seeing as she has never paid anything into the system she can't be entitled to anything out.
He points out that the habitually unemployed/unemployable in the UK also never pay a penny in, but they take £millions out over their lifetimes.
So, does anybody know whether immigrants who never pay a dime in would be entitled to a pensions of some sorts when they reach retirement age?
If it is, then it's f
king criminal.King Herald said:
So, does anybody know whether immigrants who never pay a dime in would be entitled to a pensions of some sorts when they reach retirement age?
In Sweden this is the case, and seeing that nu labia gets most of their ideas from the socialists in Sweden, I'd not be surprised if this was the case even in UK.SunderJimmy said:
Was that a buy one get one free deal then?
Just when I thought I've heard all the asian women jokes someone comes up with a new and original one. Tops marks Jimmy, you could earn a crust as a stand up comedian.....
jeff m said:
I've been away from UK for sometime, but I thought NI contributions were kept up to date by signing on as unemployed.
With regard to KH's MIL I don't beleive the Philippines has a reciprical agreement. That's where payments in one country count towards payments in another. So probably not. However US and UK do ! Did she pick up any US units at 4 per year.
US Points? Not sure where she'd get them from. She was in the USA for six months last year, as we sent her away for a breather. With regard to KH's MIL I don't beleive the Philippines has a reciprical agreement. That's where payments in one country count towards payments in another. So probably not. However US and UK do ! Did she pick up any US units at 4 per year.
Philippines has no reciprocal anything with anybody, that I'm aware of. They don't have a pension scheme worth looking at, even for their own peoples.
rich1231 said:
KH, in some threads you attack freeloaders etc...
And in the same breath on another you are trying to see if someone that has never contributed can claim a pension...
Can I suggest that you do what most married blokes would dream of and send the mother in law back to the other side of the world.
I am actually argueing that she shouldn't be entitled to anything, but others reckon she is. And in the same breath on another you are trying to see if someone that has never contributed can claim a pension...
Can I suggest that you do what most married blokes would dream of and send the mother in law back to the other side of the world.
As we speak, she is now in the Philippines once again, and if I could have it my way that is where she'd stay.
King Herald said:
KB_S1 said:
Surely her contributions to NI have been zero, therefore nothing to draw from?
My point exactly, but then many dole bludgers are much the same. Confusing.Apparently even non-contributors are entitled to not starve to death in old age. Such is the UK welfare state: the envy of the lazy and feckless the world over.
t.I suppose we couldn't let them starve so I reckon it should be food stamps not cash. Govt. could perhaps negotiate a good price for mass quantity discounted food from the store chains - 'make a good bidding war given the number of 'credits' they'd no doubt have to find.
If homeless, again vouchers to pay for rent rather than money to spend on things they haven't earned and we pay for.
King Herald said:
My mum in law is from the Philippines, and has lived with us
So, does anybody know whether immigrants who never pay a dime in would be entitled to a pensions of some sorts when they reach retirement age?
She is not entitled to a UK pension, as she's never contributed.So, does anybody know whether immigrants who never pay a dime in would be entitled to a pensions of some sorts when they reach retirement age?
Plently of married women who never worked are in the same position, so this isn't unusual.
If she had no income, and had to support herself, and was properly entitled to be in the UK, then she could get income support. However she won't get that as you're supporting her.
King Herald said:
jeff m said:
I've been away from UK for sometime, but I thought NI contributions were kept up to date by signing on as unemployed.
With regard to KH's MIL I don't beleive the Philippines has a reciprical agreement. That's where payments in one country count towards payments in another. So probably not. However US and UK do ! Did she pick up any US units at 4 per year.
US Points? Not sure where she'd get them from. She was in the USA for six months last year, as we sent her away for a breather. With regard to KH's MIL I don't beleive the Philippines has a reciprical agreement. That's where payments in one country count towards payments in another. So probably not. However US and UK do ! Did she pick up any US units at 4 per year.
Philippines has no reciprocal anything with anybody, that I'm aware of. They don't have a pension scheme worth looking at, even for their own peoples.
Philippine pensions....GSIS for gov employess is worth having if you live there, obviously worthless when living in UK. Private company pensions are quite generous though, my wife sister retired at forty and is still collecting and manages to visit us in the States on whatever she receives. Her oldest brother retired at 60 with a 6 million lump.(Pesos)
Unfortunately thr Philippines is a country of have and have nots.
yeah she would seem to be morally entitled - if I move to a country that has social welfare and become a resident, I am entitled to their social welfare, same as people who move to the UK.
My grandmother was entitled to a pension, despite hardly doing any paid work due to her being a housewife - I don't see any difference.
My grandmother was entitled to a pension, despite hardly doing any paid work due to her being a housewife - I don't see any difference.
jeff m said:
Philippine pensions....GSIS for gov employess is worth having if you live there, obviously worthless when living in UK. Private company pensions are quite generous though, my wife sister retired at forty and is still collecting and manages to visit us in the States on whatever she receives. Her oldest brother retired at 60 with a 6 million lump.(Pesos)
Unfortunately thr Philippines is a country of have and have nots.
MILs sister worked for the PI government for quite a few years, in a basic position, and paid contributions, but she reckons she has minimal chance of ever extracting anything from them in her old age. Too many layers of paperwork, petty and/or pompous self-important officialdom and BS to fight through, just to get to the bottom of something so heinous as having money handed over every month.Unfortunately thr Philippines is a country of have and have nots.
Everything works on bribes and buddy system over there. Even getting a Filipino passport issued can be a hair-rending exercise in frustration, if they even think they have a chance of messing with you and extorting bribes.
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