Shanghai Plane Crash

[trackdemon]

Just heard about a plane crash @ Shanghai airport, but no details on any of the big websites as yet.... Hope its not as serious as it looked on Korean news channel. Anyway know more?

[pits]

• checks news and politics area*

No, no more details, either way not nice, also that train crash in Russia

[knight]

Not heard anything either. Hope it's not serious

[trackdemon]

On reuters, not as bad as I first feared from the pictures (which were billowing just smoke) & not much else.

http://www.reuters.com/article/africaCrisis/idUSSP...

[knight]

Fingers crossed everyone is ok

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/397211-zspd-car...

[jshell]

3 dead, 4 survived. Zimbabwe cargo plane. Nearly every single African airline is banned from European airspace over very, very real safety concerns. Local planes are known as 'flying coffins' in most of Africa.

[Eric Mc]

An MD-11.

I've never liked those things.

[NismoGT]

Eric Mc said:

An MD-11.

I've never liked those things.

Did fly on a JMC air MD-11 once and i have to agree with your statement.

[jshell]

Eric Mc said:

An MD-11.

I've never liked those things.

Was it? Horrible things! KLM used to fly them from Schipol to Lagos and I always avoided them because of it. They've had numerous problems down the years

[Eric Mc]

You may be thinking of the DC-10. The MD-11 is a "modernised" development of the DC-10 featuring a fuselage stretch and a two man "glass" cockpit as opposed to a three man conventional cockpit.

The MD-11 was not the success McDonnell Douglas hoped it would be and was part of the reason they went into decline as a company and were eventually bought out by Boeing - who promptly shut down the MD-11 production line.

[jshell]

No, deffo the MD-11, I've been on DC-10's - I fly a LOT! The MD-11's that KLM had were the huge 3-motor wide-body jets. I'm sure that 'Aircrash Invetigators' have done a few progs on them.

I just know I don't like 'em!

[NismoGT]

jshell said:

No, deffo the MD-11, I've been on DC-10's - I fly a LOT! The MD-11's that KLM had were the huge 3-motor wide-body jets. I'm sure that 'Aircrash Invetigators' have done a few progs on them.

I just know I don't like 'em!

The Sioux city crash of 1989. United Airlines DC-10 was one of the programmes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoCYkU6_vOM&fea...

[jshell]

It was the Swissair flight SR-111 MD-11 I was thinking of. Nasty! (Understatement alert)

[Eric Mc]

jshell said:

No, deffo the MD-11, I've been on DC-10's - I fly a LOT! The MD-11's that KLM had were the huge 3-motor wide-body jets. I'm sure that 'Aircrash Invetigators' have done a few progs on them.

I just know I don't like 'em!

As is the DC-10. Externally they look very similar. The main external giveaway of the MD-11 is the set of winglets on the wingtips.

DC-10



MD-11



Spot the differences.

[jshell]

It was STILL MD-11's that KLM flew to Lagos when I started....

[Eric Mc]

The fact that you described the MD-11s as being a "huge three engined" aircraft indicated that you thought that this was the defining difference between the MD-11 and a DC-10. As you can see from the pictures, they are BOTH "huge three engined" aircraft.

I'm not saying you didn't fly in an MD-11 (although KLM also operated DC-10s), just that your description of an MD-11 would also accurately describe a DC-10.

[Mojocvh]

Eric Mc said:

The fact that you described the MD-11s as being a "huge three engined" aircraft indicated that you thought that this was the defining difference between the MD-11 and a DC-10. As you can see from the pictures, they are BOTH "huge three engined" aircraft.

I'm not saying you didn't fly in an MD-11 (although KLM also operated DC-10s), just that your description of an MD-11 would also accurately describe a DC-10.

Eric the differences are greatly reduced horizontal stab area !! rearwards c of g!!! (all for greater efficiency in "cruise) and differing standards of additional flight control software/computers/hardware.

They mostly pile in when landing in difficult conditions, snap a wing off, roll over on their backs and burn.
Horrid aircraft, just waiting to trap even the most skilled/experienced of pilots IMO.

RIP.

An earlier disaster, Japan. Also fatal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-UEPHyrhn0&fea...


China Pax AC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boTZQfloiTw

Edited by Mojocvh on Saturday 28th November 16:08

[B Oeuf]

Why the dislike of em? Not the engine config is it? I only ask as the L101 has a pretty good rep

[Eric Mc]

Mojocvh said:

Eric Mc said:

The fact that you described the MD-11s as being a "huge three engined" aircraft indicated that you thought that this was the defining difference between the MD-11 and a DC-10. As you can see from the pictures, they are BOTH "huge three engined" aircraft.

I'm not saying you didn't fly in an MD-11 (although KLM also operated DC-10s), just that your description of an MD-11 would also accurately describe a DC-10.

Eric the differences are greatly reduced horizontal stab area !! rearwards c of g!!! (all for greater efficiency in "cruise) and differing standards of additional flight control software/computers/hardware.

They mostly pile in when landing in difficult conditions, snap a wing off, roll over on their backs and burn.
Horrid aircraft, just waiting to trap even the most skilled/experienced of pilots IMO.

RIP.

An earlier disaster, Japan. Also fatal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-UEPHyrhn0&fea...

Edited by Mojocvh on Saturday 28th November 15:59

I was highlighting the external differences. Under the skin there were quite a few changes.

They do indeed seem to be pretty dodgy in certain landing situations and at least two have bounced on landing and flipped over.

[Eric Mc]

B Oeuf said:

Why the dislike of em? Not the engine config is it? I only ask as the L101 has a pretty good rep

When you say "Them", do you mean DC-10s or MD-11s?