HARTGE H35 SPORT - talk to me..
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Hi all,
ive found an interesting car in the classifieds, and wondered if anyone could answer a few questions.
firstly, the boring bit, i'll fill you in on my current car situation:
I came very close to buying an e35 M5 a month ago, to be scuppered by the fact my insurance company wont swap my insurance to an M5- esure will only insure you on an M5 if your over 30, and im only a few years shy. Im not interested in cancelling my insurance, as i need to complete this year to bring my ncd up to 5 years.
So I thought, i'll keep my current little shed car until insurance runs out, then find myself a perfect M5 next year, and a different insurance company.
Then my current little current shed car starts showing early signs of HGF. Dang.
I have my heart set on getting an e39 M5 sometime next year- the few i test drove just felt perfect for me. Never felt that in a car before. I liked the driving position, the engine, the toys, it just fitted like a glove.
So, i've been looking for something to drive until next year, and not too expensive. Dont want to buy a really modern car, loose a lot of money in depreciation, then find myself unable to buy the m5 im after next year. I also cant bring myself to buy a complete shed either. Im fed up of tooling around in horrid little underpowered old cars.
So whilst browsing the PH classifieds, i spied this:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/414115.htm
it really tickles my fancy. A little old perhaps, but must be quite rare? Mileage isnt intergalactic, and surely wont loose much value over a year? Something about it really interests me.
Would anyone be able to fill me in on the whole Hartge thing? My bmw knowledge is sadly lacking.
Would it make a good purchase? Or would i spend all my money on maintenance?
any help would much appreciated
Give Birds a call about it, they are the Hartge experts.
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i emailed them about this very car in May (its been on here for ever!!!)
this is their reply...
"We don't recognise the car, so I don't think it's been here recently.There is no such thing as an H35 based on a 5 series. This will eaither be a H5s with 245hp Hartge engine, or a H5sp with 254hp. If you can get either the VIN number of the registration number, I'll have a look on our database to see if we have any info. Regards, Kevin Bird"
Read into that what you will
still, might be a real bargain but otherwise I would wonder why it never sold in the time its been for sale...
this is their reply...
"We don't recognise the car, so I don't think it's been here recently.There is no such thing as an H35 based on a 5 series. This will eaither be a H5s with 245hp Hartge engine, or a H5sp with 254hp. If you can get either the VIN number of the registration number, I'll have a look on our database to see if we have any info. Regards, Kevin Bird"
Read into that what you will

still, might be a real bargain but otherwise I would wonder why it never sold in the time its been for sale...
The H35 was the e30 m3 based car. This one does have a hartge rocker cover which is pretty rare, but nothing else of note.
A lot of the fancy e30's are fakes, as there wasn't much record keeping, so people just put the stickers on the back and claim it is a rare special edition.
In short, it's definitely not a "h35", and at the very best, may have had an engine from one of the larger Hartges fitted, but highly unlikely.
A lot of the fancy e30's are fakes, as there wasn't much record keeping, so people just put the stickers on the back and claim it is a rare special edition.
In short, it's definitely not a "h35", and at the very best, may have had an engine from one of the larger Hartges fitted, but highly unlikely.
Mr Green said:
The advert says it's got E36 'M'alloys. E36 wheels won't fit on the front of a E34, they will bolt on but they won't turn as the off set is wrong.
If you fit spacers on the front they will but then your looking at £100+ hubcentric spacers so that the wheel has a lip to sit on.I've been in a similar situation, i had 2 x E34 525i Sport and a 535i Sport so the M5 was the next step up. Unfortunately i couldn't find a good rust free M5LE in my budget so i went Jap instead.
I'd say try an E34 525i sport instead. For the money the one in the add is on sale for you could pick up a late E34 sport that has been cared for and well maintained.
Best of luck with whatever you decide....
And oh, a pic of mine old sports.


Shaid GTB said:
Mr Green said:
The advert says it's got E36 'M'alloys. E36 wheels won't fit on the front of a E34, they will bolt on but they won't turn as the off set is wrong.
If you fit spacers on the front they will but then your looking at £100+ hubcentric spacers so that the wheel has a lip to sit on.

Like 5 spoke E60's(225x50x17)
Fordo said:
So whilst browsing the PH classifieds, i spied this:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/414115.htm
Ah that. As stated above, it's been for sale for at least 18 months, if not longer (memory fading with age). Even the photos are the same.http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/414115.htm
The only thing is that I don't recaall is it being so close to Windsor - otherwise I'd have gone and checked it out, from an idle curiousity point of view.
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