Anybody work on a farm ?
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SimonV8ster

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12,967 posts

255 months

Friday 4th December 2009
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Always thought I'd like the idea of working on a farm. I know it would be bloody hard work but I think I should be working outdoors.

I believe that if you actually want to become a farmer you have to do 7 years at college or something. But what about working for a farmer ?

Anybody got any experience of getting a job on a farm or already own/work on one ?

richyb

4,615 posts

237 months

Friday 4th December 2009
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Bloody hard going. I am from a farming family and my experience is unless your dad is a farmer and you're going to inherit you're going to struggle to make a living from it. You can get work for a farmer but if you want to make a decent wage you need a sort after skill. General labour is done by eastern Europeans for £20 a day.

SimonV8ster

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255 months

Friday 4th December 2009
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richyb said:
General labour is done by eastern Europeans for £20 a day.
yikes Bloody hell !! I think I earn that in my coffee break.

Thought it might be something difficult to get into.


Charley Farley

351 posts

232 months

Friday 4th December 2009
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We have farming in the family but not directly... All I've ever wanted to do... Studied agriculture at Uni (3 years plus one out working) and went for an interview with a large fresh-produce company as assistant farm manager... Ended up being offered a Commercial Role and accepting as it was £5k extra salary and as a graduate that was attractive!

8 years later, I'm still dealing with supermarkets at a senior level and regretting that decision...

You don't need a family farm to farm... You can have a damned good career in Farm management if you go the right way. It mioght never make you rich and you will work bl**dy hard at times... But, it pays fairly well, you normally get a rent-free house as part of your package and you have an absolutely amazing lifestyle if it is right for you...

If interested, look for harvest work in the summer... Great fun driving big tractors and long hours- you will either love it or hate it and then take it from there... Where are you based?

williamp

20,269 posts

300 months

Friday 4th December 2009
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where else can you drive a Tractor though???

SimonV8ster

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255 months

Friday 4th December 2009
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Charley Farley said:
... Where are you based?
I'm based in West Sussex.

Escort2dr

3,637 posts

228 months

Saturday 5th December 2009
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As already posted, why not consider a career in farm management, or working for one of the companies that supplies agriculture?

HRG

72,863 posts

266 months

Saturday 5th December 2009
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Silent1 is your man I believe biggrin

Mattt

16,664 posts

245 months

Saturday 5th December 2009
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Best way is to do it as a hobby, small holding etc - as said above if you're in management the pay is ok (considering the usual free cottage) but the hours are unsociable, especially during summer.

My friend has a farm, so I just play there at weekeneds sometimes or on holidays, all the fun of using the machinery (and doing manly things like digging big holes or knocking down trees) without any of the associated bks.

bitwrx

1,352 posts

231 months

Saturday 5th December 2009
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richyb said:
General labour is done by eastern Europeans for £20 a day.
Bullst. That's £2.50 an hour on a standard day.

If you want to work outdoors, livestock farming is the way forward.

Herdsmen on dairy farms are in pretty high demand, despite the industry being on its knees. There's a reason for that. Animals don't believe in weekends or bank holidays. They also don't really give a fk that it's 10 o'clock on a saturday night and you'd much rather be down the pub than be elbow deep in cow clunge.

But then again, walking through the dawn mist on a fresh summer's morning to get the cows in is pretty special.

If you want regular working hours, pigs and poultry is for you. Everything tends to work on a weekly routine, aiming for a 40-45 hour week (at least it does round these parts). If it's indoor pigs, there's not much working outdoors, but plenty of poo. Outdoor pigs are brilliant. For a month in the spring and a month in the autumn.

If you like machines, go for arable. Hardly any work in the winter, and fk loads in the summer. No cricket or barbecues I'm afraid. Plenty of big mechanical toys though. Not much of the outdoor lifestyle though; a day in the tractor is more like a day in the office, but twice as long. On the upside, winter time is workshop time. :thumbsup:

All of the above aren't all that well paid. The Agricultural Wages Order gives minimum rates: £5.81 for a trainee rising to £8.00 for a supervisory, non managerial grade. Time and a half overtime. Most people will pay more than this though. And you get a dog allowance if he's used for work.

If you want to earn more, be a farm manager. Expect to spend at least normal office hours in an office, probably with some light tractor driving duties in the evening (the 8 till 1 shift during harvest).

As far as getting your own farm goes, it is possible. My dad's done it (mortgage is less than 25% of the value of the place now). Bear in mind the average age of farmers was 58 in 2005, and has increased since then. When they retire/die, someone will have to take their place. Even so, unless you've a massive cash reserve, you'll have to buy a pig or poultry business as a going concern. Any other business would be killed by cashflow.

But yeh, all that aside, there's a reason no-one leaves. It's the best job in the world. Which is why I want a job in ITgetmecoat

There's three types of money in agriculture: Matri-money, Patri-money, and Parsi-money.

Escort2dr

3,637 posts

228 months

Monday 7th December 2009
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bitwrx said:
But yeh, all that aside, there's a reason no-one leaves.
Are you sure? I was led to believe farmers were packing it in all the time (retirement/no succession/no money) and the industry was losing people on an annual basis.

RizzoTheRat

28,645 posts

219 months

Wednesday 9th December 2009
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It's also a great lifestyle if you've got a family. He may have been doing way more hours, but I saw a lot more of my father when I was a kid than I would have if he'd been working in an office somewhere.

Hard work though, and I'm lazy which is why I didn't follow in his footsteps. There are a lot of oter farming related careers though, for example my sister went in to agronomy and now tours round a fairly large collection of farms advising on agrochemicals and irrigation systems.

Dupont666

22,785 posts

219 months

Wednesday 9th December 2009
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Is the OP thinking about doing a river cottage?

Munter

31,331 posts

268 months

Wednesday 9th December 2009
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Escort2dr said:
bitwrx said:
But yeh, all that aside, there's a reason no-one leaves.
Are you sure? I was led to believe farmers were packing it in all the time (retirement/no succession/no money) and the industry was losing people on an annual basis.
Oh they do leave. A disproportionate number in a box, rather than to a new job.


karona

1,928 posts

213 months

Wednesday 9th December 2009
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williamp said:
where else can you drive a Tractor though???
Or a combined harvester, did 3 weeks cutting sunflowers this summer, loved it.

karona

1,928 posts

213 months

Wednesday 9th December 2009
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bitwrx said:
richyb said:
General labour is done by eastern Europeans for £20 a day.
Bullst. That's £2.50 an hour on a standard day.
20 pounds a day is pretty much double the rate Bulgarians would earn at home. The press here in eastern Europe is full of tales of rip-off pay deals for migrant workers in Britain, stty working conditions, extortionate accommodation charges for living in rotting shipping containers, whole day's pay docked for trivial infractions, e.g. 10 minutes late.
Berry Shame
A Bulgarian friend spent the summer strawberry picking in Norfolk, and was delighted to be clearing 100 pounds a week to send home.
"Bullst" is, unfortunately, a bit strong.

Escort2dr

3,637 posts

228 months

Wednesday 9th December 2009
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RizzoTheRat said:
my sister went in to agronomy and now tours round a fairly large collection of farms advising on agrochemicals and irrigation systems.
Who does she work for, if you don't mind me asking? Just wondered if I knew her.

richyb

4,615 posts

237 months

Wednesday 9th December 2009
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karona said:
bitwrx said:
richyb said:
General labour is done by eastern Europeans for £20 a day.
Bullst. That's £2.50 an hour on a standard day.
20 pounds a day is pretty much double the rate Bulgarians would earn at home. The press here in eastern Europe is full of tales of rip-off pay deals for migrant workers in Britain, stty working conditions, extortionate accommodation charges for living in rotting shipping containers, whole day's pay docked for trivial infractions, e.g. 10 minutes late.
Berry Shame
A Bulgarian friend spent the summer strawberry picking in Norfolk, and was delighted to be clearing 100 pounds a week to send home.
"Bullst" is, unfortunately, a bit strong.
Exactly my experience and very common for fruit and veg pickers.