The god equation - utter *******.
The god equation - utter *******.
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Lefty Two Drams

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Saturday 5th December 2009
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This from the pharyngula blog today:


We atheists are done for now. Behold, the God Equation, which I received in email and proves that a deity created us all:

Scientists working in the UK have discovered robust evidence that the creation of the earth and moon was a deliberate act. The researchers found that the earth, moon, and beyond were engineered according to a specific equation. They have dubbed it the God Equation. The equation, which looks like this:

shows a constant, unchanging relationship between the speed of light, the ratio between the circumference and diameter of a circle, and the radio frequency of hydrogen in space. Artificial intelligence engineer David Cumming, CEO of the Edinburgh-based company Intelligent Earth, recently discovered the equation, and said: "I am a scientist and as such I didn't at first really believe it myself. But physics is physics, and maths is maths, and you can't argue with it."

The discovery of the equation began with research by engineer Professor Alexander Thom (1894-1985) of Oxford University, into the properties of megalithic constructions such as Stonehenge. He found that their construction did not follow existing measurement systems, but did fit in to a pattern of specific lengths which he called megalithic yards. Two independent researchers Christopher Knight and Alan Butler, based in York, then showed that the megalithic system of measurement was directly derived from characteristics of the Earth's movements through space.

Linking this system of measurements with known constants such as (pi, the relationship between the circumference and diameter of a circle), Hl, the radio frequency of the hydrogen fine transition in space, (0.0123456789 representing all the characters of the base 10 number system), and the speed of light in a vacuum C0 (C0 = 299,792.458km/sec), and building on research by Knight and Butler, and the work of Professor Alexander Thom, former Reading University doctoral researcher Cumming followed a research programme that resulted in his discovery of the God Equation. The God Equation shows a direct link between the speed of light, the radio frequency of hydrogen in space, pi, and earth's orbit, rotation and weight. As the possibility of the Earth having the exact required characteristics to fit the equation by chance is remote, and the equation has, in theory, been in existence since the beginning of the Universe, this means that the Earth's orbit, rotation and weight must have been engineered to fit this equation.

Cumming states: "Although the ratio of a diameter of a circle to its circumference has been known for thousands of years, we have only recently discovered the hydrogen line, the speed of light, and rediscovered the megalithic measurement system. The advance of science, combined with the uncovering of ancient knowledge passed down through the ages, has only now made the discovery of the God Equation possible."

Well, overwhelming, except for a few little problems.

For instance, the term Hl has units of MHz; the other parameters seem to be dimensionless; and C has units of km/sec. This does not compute. That seems like a rather fundamental error in a very simple equation that must have been formulated by a couple of the geniuses of the age, don't you think?

Oh, waitthere's that mysterious term -- maybe we're just missing its units. Except"0.0123456789 representing all the characters of the base 10 number system". Oh, come on. I call shenanigans on that one. That's completely arbitrary and contrived.

How do you get earth's orbit, rotation, and weight from ?

So I plugged in all those numbers anyway, and did the calculation works out to a value for C of 361,448.9 MHz. This is a bit off.

Oh, but there's more! There's a footnote to the email I was sent that mentions that you have to calculate the speed of light in megalithic yards, derived by some esoteric calculation from the dimensions of Stonehenge. A megalithic yard = 0.82966 meters, which then gets you to the right number for the speed of light.

Not bad for a formula with three terms, one of which is pulled out of someone's ass, and the whole thing requiring a magic fudge factor to bring it into line with neolithic technology.

Lefty Two Drams

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Saturday 5th December 2009
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TheEnd

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218 months

Saturday 5th December 2009
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didn't really understand any of that, but i agree with your conclusion!

Cooky

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267 months

Saturday 5th December 2009
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Yes he does exist, just ask Frank


PPPPPP

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261 months

Saturday 5th December 2009
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TheEnd said:
didn't really understand any of that, but i agree with your conclusion!
+ 1
Whatever would Einstein, Darwin make of this & is Dawkins about to be made redundant. I don't think so. rolleyes

Lefty Two Drams

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232 months

Saturday 5th December 2009
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Sorry chaps I'm on my blackcurrant/strawberry mobile pc/phone whatsit and it would appear that when I copied the article from the rss reader it didn't actually copy the equation too.

Doh!

Anyway, I think the point is that these people think they have discovered a set of rules which must be followed for the earth to have been created and, as such, it must have had an intelligent creator to follow said equation.

Mind you, I've had almost half a bottle of balvenie today so I might be missing the point...

Hic

T89 Callan

8,422 posts

223 months

Saturday 5th December 2009
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I'm staring to just think:

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

I'm going to start my own religion that believes in god, get it protected and then come-up with a load of BS rules that everyone has to respect.

I'll call it....

"Godianity"

Monday mornings are our sacred worship times were we worship by sleeping until 11am.

Friday afternoons are 'prayer' time were we pray by indulging in our favourite pass time, this shows a love and respect for god.

Cars with more than 250bhp are sacred.

Petrol Stations are holy places.

Public transport is a sin as it is disrespectful to pay somebody else for your travel without the freedom to control it.

The amount of clothes women are allowed wear must be inversly proprtional to how attractive they are. Thus more attractive = less clothes.

The official 'Godianity' dress code for men is 'Jeans and T-Shirt' no make-up or styling products are to be used my males.

I am the grand high 'fking Awesome Leader' of godianity and this is my decree...

...more to follow later.

StuWS

6,249 posts

284 months

Saturday 5th December 2009
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The pharyngula blog is very good.

I love the utter contempt for creationists hehe

Buffalo

5,482 posts

284 months

Saturday 5th December 2009
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T89 Callan said:
I'm staring to just think:

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

I'm going to start my own religion that believes in god, get it protected and then come-up with a load of BS rules that everyone has to respect.

I'll call it....

"Godianity"

Monday mornings are our sacred worship times were we worship by sleeping until 11am.

Friday afternoons are 'prayer' time were we pray by indulging in our favourite pass time, this shows a love and respect for god.

Cars with more than 250bhp are sacred.

Petrol Stations are holy places.

Public transport is a sin as it is disrespectful to pay somebody else for your travel without the freedom to control it.

The amount of clothes women are allowed wear must be inversly proprtional to how attractive they are. Thus more attractive = less clothes.

The official 'Godianity' dress code for men is 'Jeans and T-Shirt' no make-up or styling products are to be used my males.

I am the grand high 'fking Awesome Leader' of godianity and this is my decree...

...more to follow later.
You forgot the money - you can't be the leader of a successful religion unless you can convince your followers to lead a life of poverty and give you all their money (and preferably any young nubile virgins if they have any lying around).

After all, the Arch Godiup of Godabury has to be able to fuel his supercar to be closer to God - right..? wink

T89 Callan

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223 months

Saturday 5th December 2009
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Buffalo said:
T89 Callan said:
I'm staring to just think:

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

I'm going to start my own religion that believes in god, get it protected and then come-up with a load of BS rules that everyone has to respect.

I'll call it....

"Godianity"

Monday mornings are our sacred worship times were we worship by sleeping until 11am.

Friday afternoons are 'prayer' time were we pray by indulging in our favourite pass time, this shows a love and respect for god.

Cars with more than 250bhp are sacred.

Petrol Stations are holy places.

Public transport is a sin as it is disrespectful to pay somebody else for your travel without the freedom to control it.

The amount of clothes women are allowed wear must be inversly proprtional to how attractive they are. Thus more attractive = less clothes.

The official 'Godianity' dress code for men is 'Jeans and T-Shirt' no make-up or styling products are to be used my males.

I am the grand high 'fking Awesome Leader' of godianity and this is my decree...

...more to follow later.
You forgot the money - you can't be the leader of a successful religion unless you can convince your followers to lead a life of poverty and give you all their money (and preferably any young nubile virgins if they have any lying around).

After all, the Arch Godiup of Godabury has to be able to fuel his supercar to be closer to God - right..? wink
Oh yeah forget those rules, they're in the second testement of truthness.

All virgins must give themselves to the grand high 'fking Awesome Leader' (me) for education in the ways of love and Godianity.

The only way to go to Godianity heaven is to pay the grand high 'fking Awesome Leader' (me) 5% of all your earnings to.... uhhhh.... make God happy? yeah that'll do.

Anyway do you want in Buffalo? I could make you the first 'Lord of Greatness'?

Jasandjules

72,602 posts

259 months

Saturday 5th December 2009
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My Jedi mind tricks will soon sort this out.

Buffalo

5,482 posts

284 months

Saturday 5th December 2009
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T89 Callan said:
Buffalo said:
T89 Callan said:
I'm staring to just think:

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

I'm going to start my own religion that believes in god, get it protected and then come-up with a load of BS rules that everyone has to respect.

I'll call it....

"Godianity"

Monday mornings are our sacred worship times were we worship by sleeping until 11am.

Friday afternoons are 'prayer' time were we pray by indulging in our favourite pass time, this shows a love and respect for god.

Cars with more than 250bhp are sacred.

Petrol Stations are holy places.

Public transport is a sin as it is disrespectful to pay somebody else for your travel without the freedom to control it.

The amount of clothes women are allowed wear must be inversly proprtional to how attractive they are. Thus more attractive = less clothes.

The official 'Godianity' dress code for men is 'Jeans and T-Shirt' no make-up or styling products are to be used my males.

I am the grand high 'fking Awesome Leader' of godianity and this is my decree...

...more to follow later.
You forgot the money - you can't be the leader of a successful religion unless you can convince your followers to lead a life of poverty and give you all their money (and preferably any young nubile virgins if they have any lying around).

After all, the Arch Godiup of Godabury has to be able to fuel his supercar to be closer to God - right..? wink
Oh yeah forget those rules, they're in the second testement of truthness.

All virgins must give themselves to the grand high 'fking Awesome Leader' (me) for education in the ways of love and Godianity.

The only way to go to Godianity heaven is to pay the grand high 'fking Awesome Leader' (me) 5% of all your earnings to.... uhhhh.... make God happy? yeah that'll do.

Anyway do you want in Buffalo? I could make you the first 'Lord of Greatness'?
Hell (er I mean anti-godianity) yeah! smile

Buffalo

5,482 posts

284 months

Saturday 5th December 2009
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Actually, come to think of it, under the new rules of Godianity, the concept of Hell should probably be referred to henceforth as "Matalan"...

Uhura_Fighter

7,018 posts

213 months

Saturday 5th December 2009
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Christopher Knight, hmmm.


Get a copy of Urials machine and give that a read.


HTH

zac510

5,546 posts

236 months

Saturday 5th December 2009
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I wonder how many other figures he discarded before he found just 3 that fit his equation.

deevlash

10,442 posts

267 months

Saturday 5th December 2009
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athiests are possibly more tedious than religious nuts.

JakeS

2,270 posts

215 months

Saturday 5th December 2009
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I hate the whole religious argueing. It is pointless, Let people believe what they want. If they start preaching to me I simply tell them I am not interested. Why does it always have to end up with who has the biggest forumla and who can talk to the most people about what they think rolleyes

glazbagun

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227 months

Sunday 6th December 2009
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deevlash said:
athiests are possibly more tedious than religious nuts.
+1. I encounter far more moaning about religion than I ever do religion.

DrTre

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262 months

Sunday 6th December 2009
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glazbagun said:
deevlash said:
athiests are possibly more tedious than religious nuts.
+1. I encounter far more moaning about religion than I ever do religion.
Yep. I've never ever had a conversation with a religious person where they have, unprompted, tried to convince me of their POV or point at some news article and say "Atheist wkers".
Shame the same can't be said of atheists.

ETA not aimed at this thread per se, the article the OP points to is simply gibberish.

Edited by DrTre on Sunday 6th December 00:09