Cheap solution to outrigger problem?

[TVR653X]

I was at contemplating the problem of out riggers on TVRs, and came up with an idea. Why not put plastic piping around the outriggers? This would stop much of the road salt and water that causes the rusting ever hitting the outriggers. Can anyone see a problem with this?

[scotty_d]

I think the plastic piping would trap moisture in and could accelerate the corrosive process.

[TVR653X]

scotty_d said:

I think the plastic piping would trap moisture in and could accelerate the corrosive process.

hmmm perhaps. I'd be intrigued to have a few more opinions.

[GV]

If the piping was sealed in it should work...

[PRTVR]

scotty_d said:

I think the plastic piping would trap moisture in and could accelerate the corrosive process.

Yes,the industry I work in has suffered for years with under insulation corrosion, the insulation holds water next to the metal and if there is any crack in the paint the corrosion is accelerated.
For me the main problem is stones and body contact braking the paint seal, at first I was considering spraying foam into the cavity to stop the stones, but dismissed the idea due to the above problem,now I am thinking along the lines of a plastic guard or mesh running the length of the outrigger with small holes in it to stop the stones but let the water out plus some kind of mud flap in the back of the front wheel arches to deflect the worst of the water away from the outriggers.

[pistolar]

They deserve to rust!! After something like 12 years service i think they deserve to fall apart. Also you must remember its not always just the outriggers that need repairing its a whole host of other items such as brakes, bushes, shocks etc. The outriggers are a warning that despite the rust free exterior the car is getting old and needs attention.

[PRTVR]

pistolar said:

They deserve to rust!! After something like 12 years service i think they deserve to fall apart. Also you must remember its not always just the outriggers that need repairing its a whole host of other items such as brakes, bushes, shocks etc. The outriggers are a warning that despite the rust free exterior the car is getting old and needs attention.

Agreed but when I get mine replaced I just would like them to last as long as possible,I see nothing wrong in giving them a bit of protection especially as they are not easy to get at and check .

[slideways]

why not use the stuff they are painting the forth bridge with it has a 25 year guarantee

[PRTVR]

slideways said:

why not use the stuff they are painting the forth bridge with it has a 25 year guarantee

Probably very good paint, but I think the problem is with protecting the paint from stones and body rub,
(I don't think the Forth bridge has much problem with stone chips)

[TVR653X]

PRTVR said:

scotty_d said:

I think the plastic piping would trap moisture in and could accelerate the corrosive process.

Yes,the industry I work in has suffered for years with under insulation corrosion, the insulation holds water next to the metal and if there is any crack in the paint the corrosion is accelerated.
For me the main problem is stones and body contact braking the paint seal, at first I was considering spraying foam into the cavity to stop the stones, but dismissed the idea due to the above problem,now I am thinking along the lines of a plastic guard or mesh running the length of the outrigger with small holes in it to stop the stones but let the water out plus some kind of mud flap in the back of the front wheel arches to deflect the worst of the water away from the outriggers.

Interesting you mention 'some kind of mudflap'. I was told you can get an inner wheel arch that extends to below the height of the outriggers, preventing a lot of the rusting. Does anyone know if these still exist, and where I could get a couple from?

[scotty_d]

Easy to make just use some sheet aluminium seen a few guys with them i will be knocking some up this winter for mine.

[TVR653X]

scotty_d said:

Easy to make just use some sheet aluminium seen a few guys with them i will be knocking some up this winter for mine.

I need some. But I don't know how to make stuff lol.

[scotty_d]

ready made ones here

http://www.tvrmonster.com/store/index.php?act=view...

[TVR653X]

scotty_d said:

ready made ones here

http://www.tvrmonster.com/store/index.php?act=view...

Nice. Do they come with instructions on how to fit them?

[dvs_dave]

Anyone know if they fit Tuscan's? I know the T-chassis cars don't seem to suffer from the same corrosion problems (better powder coating?) but I think it's just down to them generally not being old enough yet.

[Guillotine]

Hi Guys,
Yes, they'll fit everything, you may have to move one of the holes (ie drill a new one) on some older models.

easy to fit / refit they jusy zip tie on.

no metal to metal contact, and you can still clean behind them.

Andy
Monster

[peteA]

dvs_dave said:

Anyone know if they fit Tuscan's? I know the T-chassis cars don't seem to suffer from the same corrosion problems (better powder coating?) but I think it's just down to them generally not being old enough yet.

Cerberas have something similar on the offside to protect the brake pipes leaving the firewall (I think - there isn't one on the near side)....don't see why they wouldnt fit other TVR's...? May need some minor adjustment or just make some to fit...?

Agree about not sealing up to the chassis as it will retain moisture against the metal...didn't TVR put insulation between the chassis and body of the 3000M...guess where one of the first places to look for chassis rust is...?

[Daston]

peteA said:

dvs_dave said:

Anyone know if they fit Tuscan's? I know the T-chassis cars don't seem to suffer from the same corrosion problems (better powder coating?) but I think it's just down to them generally not being old enough yet.

Cerberas have something similar on the offside to protect the brake pipes leaving the firewall (I think - there isn't one on the near side)....don't see why they wouldnt fit other TVR's...? May need some minor adjustment or just make some to fit...?

Agree about not sealing up to the chassis as it will retain moisture against the metal...didn't TVR put insulation between the chassis and body of the 3000M...guess where one of the first places to look for chassis rust is...?

The tuscan is a little different as the passanger wheel arch rail is a little better protected due to the Battery cover. So you cant really put anything over it. If you needed to get the battery out or a charger on it for any reason you will be making the job much harder.

As for the drivers side that is rather exposed. I stripped all the paint off mine and re did with Bit-halmer (probably spelt wrong) Zinc based primer and 12 months on no rust or chips are showing. Got to tackle the rest of the chassis this winter.

[Jasper Gilder]

What became of Ziebart? I know te hmotor industry pretty much conspired to put them out of business in teh 70's - but any ziebarted car is essentially rust free - my chum has a 1973 MGBGT V8 and it's like new

The technology must still exist and that, plus a good zinc spray, should see outriggers last for ever

[philmccann]

Yes, Good point JG

I used to work beside a guy who had a '67 Mk2 Cortina which had been Ziebarted and the thing was like new. Would be good to know where that technology is now!!

Cheers

Phil