RE: Strong November Car Sales Help Jaguar
RE: Strong November Car Sales Help Jaguar
Monday 7th December 2009

Strong November Car Sales Help Jaguar

UK market up 58 percent. Jaguar benefits while Ford struggles


XFR has helped keep Jaguar in the public eye
XFR has helped keep Jaguar in the public eye
Jaguar's UK sales continue to rise, with November's sales up 50 percent year on year.

The combination of buoyant sales for the XF, a recently refreshed XK sports car range, and a (positive) media frenzy around the new XFR and forthcoming XJ luxury saloon helped Jaguar to shift 1,467 vehicles in November.

That compares well with the 975 cars Jaguar sold in November 2008, despite having to soldier on with the long-in-the-tooth X-type.

Jaguar's figures are impressive, but they are soundly beaten by Mercedes' figure of a 132 percent year-on-year leap - a stat no doubt enhanced by the recent arrival of the all-new E-class.

Overall, the car market recorded a 57.6 percent increase on November 2008 with total sales of 158,082, a figure that matches November 2007's stats.

The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders (SMMT) remained cautious, however, saying that the current high sales could be an artificial bubble that may be about to burst.

"The increase in new car registrations in November reflects the positive impact of the Scrappage Incentive Scheme, customers avoiding the VAT increase in January and the very difficult conditions we experienced a year ago," says Paul Everitt, SMMT chief executive. "SMMT is urging government to use its Pre-Budget Report to sustain the recovery and generate business confidence by stimulating demand in key parts of the new vehicle market."

In light of the fact that more than a fifth of new cars sold in November came courtesy of the scrappage scheme, Ford's sales increase of just 19 per cent seems a little meagre.

Scrappage sales tend to benefit smaller cars like the Fiesta and Focus more than any other sector, yet despite Ford's mainstream pairing still taking the top two spots in the UK sales charts, Ford's overall market share has dropped from 18.5 per cent to 13.8 per cent.

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sprinter1050

Original Poster:

11,550 posts

249 months

Monday 7th December 2009
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Good for Jaguar I say.

Makes you wonder if the Tata rant about needing UK Govt money was a bit of a red herring??

Twoshoe

966 posts

206 months

Monday 7th December 2009
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sprinter1050 said:
Good for Jaguar I say.
+1

Slightly to my surprise, the XF is beginning to grow on me.

welshywoo

2 posts

196 months

Monday 7th December 2009
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Hopefully this sends the message to other car manufactures that if you design a good product then you reap the benefits in sales.

Lets not forget that Jaguar took quite a risk on the XF, and numerous motoring magazines said that it was Jaguar's last chance.

Most of JLR's products are technically very good, the XF, the Disco, the LR, the XJ, the XK and so on.


shirt

24,959 posts

223 months

Monday 7th December 2009
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sprinter1050 said:
Makes you wonder if the Tata rant about needing UK Govt money was a bit of a red herring??
surely you're kidding?

dcb

6,034 posts

287 months

Monday 7th December 2009
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welshywoo said:
Hopefully this sends the message to other car manufactures that if you design a good product then you reap the benefits in sales.

Lets not forget that Jaguar took quite a risk on the XF, and numerous motoring magazines said that it was Jaguar's last chance.

Most of JLR's products are technically very good, the XF, the Disco, the LR, the XJ, the XK and so on.
I'm not sure that merely having a claimed good product is sufficient.
The gentlemen and ladies of the marketing dept may well claim
that their efforts are important too.

I did some checking up, and I found this worrying sentence
in the Wikipedia entry for Jaguar.

"Between Ford purchasing Jaguar in 1989 and selling it in 2008 it did not earn any profit for the Dearborn-based auto manufacturer."

If true, worrying.

Businesses that can't make a profit in any of nine years can't
be far from the long list of dead car manufacturers.


JumpinJack

408 posts

200 months

Monday 7th December 2009
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Some good news for British Manufacturing at last! Good on Jag, I reckon that new XJ will sell pretty well too. I personally think its a beaut! lick

wab172uk

2,005 posts

249 months

Monday 7th December 2009
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Think the VAT increase has more to do with High value car sales than the Scrapage scheme.


eddie1980

419 posts

210 months

Monday 7th December 2009
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wab172uk said:
Think the VAT increase has more to do with High value car sales than the Scrapage scheme.
In this Sector yes, scrappage might be boosting sales of KIA's VAT increases will be boosting the sales of top marks.

threespires

4,425 posts

233 months

Monday 7th December 2009
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The headlines slightly distort the figures.

Jaguar sold just short of 500 extra cars over last November. Mercedes and BMW approx 3000 extra units. Land Rover just under 1500 extra sales.

Ford sales are just 3% down year on year - approx 9500 units.
Vauxhall down year on year 20%
VW down year on year 13&

Total sales year on year are -8.85 %


jazzyjeff

3,652 posts

281 months

Monday 7th December 2009
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dcb said:
welshywoo said:
I did some checking up, and I found this worrying sentence
in the Wikipedia entry for Jaguar.

"Between Ford purchasing Jaguar in 1989 and selling it in 2008 it did not earn any profit for the Dearborn-based auto manufacturer."

If true, worrying.

Businesses that can't make a profit in any of nine years can't
be far from the long list of dead car manufacturers.
Given that Ford itself was loss-making through most of this period, I think it says more about Ford's survivability than Jaguar's somehow tongue out

tr7v8

7,523 posts

250 months

Monday 7th December 2009
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[quote=dcbI did some checking up, and I found this worrying sentence
in the Wikipedia entry for Jaguar.

"Between Ford purchasing Jaguar in 1989 and selling it in 2008 it did not earn any profit for the Dearborn-based auto manufacturer."

If true, worrying.

Businesses that can't make a profit in any of nine years can't
be far from the long list of dead car manufacturers.


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Jaguar were making a profit towards the end of that period, a lot of that was smoke & mirrors in the way of all big corporate accounts.

tr7v8

7,523 posts

250 months

Monday 7th December 2009
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I'd add that the comment about thelong in the tooth Jaguar X-Type is a laugh. A huge amount of sales in that period were 08 on facelift X-Types, my local dealer couldn't get enough at the time.
My S-type recently went in for some work & I asked for an XF as a courtesy car. I was told yes but be warned they may sell it before you borrow it, they keep doing that, so obviously selling well.

ocsine

38 posts

194 months

Monday 7th December 2009
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I wish they would hurry up and put the XJ on sale! I was filling my car up at the Balsall Common shell station yesterday and lo and behold Mike Cross (Jag's Chief Engineer) pulls up in a maroon v8 XJ lwb. Beautiful car, I was tempted to talk to him but thought he must get harrassed all the time by petrolheads.

Rob

Belfast Boy

855 posts

204 months

Monday 7th December 2009
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ocsine said:
I wish they would hurry up and put the XJ on sale! I was filling my car up at the Balsall Common shell station yesterday and lo and behold Mike Cross (Jag's Chief Engineer) pulls up in a maroon v8 XJ lwb. Beautiful car, I was tempted to talk to him but thought he must get harrassed all the time by petrolheads.

Rob
I saw a New XJ driving down the road in Hinkley Lancs about a month ago, I thought they where already out!?
Unless it was coming/going too the proving grounds up there?

chandrew

979 posts

231 months

Monday 7th December 2009
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Surely if the market is up 58% and Jag sales up 50% then they are loosing market share.

JumpinJack

408 posts

200 months

Monday 7th December 2009
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Belfast Boy said:
ocsine said:
I wish they would hurry up and put the XJ on sale! I was filling my car up at the Balsall Common shell station yesterday and lo and behold Mike Cross (Jag's Chief Engineer) pulls up in a maroon v8 XJ lwb. Beautiful car, I was tempted to talk to him but thought he must get harrassed all the time by petrolheads.

Rob
I saw a New XJ driving down the road in Hinkley Lancs about a month ago, I thought they where already out!?
Unless it was coming/going too the proving grounds up there?
I see about 2 of these every day whizzing past my factory (mainly as our premises are about half a mile form the Castle Brom plant) but i've seen about 5 or 6 on the motorway too. I don't think they're too concerned about an official release. My belief is they have something more important in the pipe lines, hence why they won't let me in their shop until "it" is unveiled...

Pickled Piper

6,449 posts

257 months

Monday 7th December 2009
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sprinter1050 said:
Good for Jaguar I say.

Makes you wonder if the Tata rant about needing UK Govt money was a bit of a red herring??
No not all. They ended up securing the loans from sources in India. They complained that the conditions attached to the loans from the UK Government were too "onerous". The upshot is that when Tata start implementing their restructuring plan, the UK Government will not be in a position to influence them.

pp

martynr

1,574 posts

196 months

Monday 7th December 2009
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welshywoo said:
Hopefully this sends the message to other car manufactures that if you design a good product then you reap the benefits in sales.

Lets not forget that Jaguar took quite a risk on the XF, and numerous motoring magazines said that it was Jaguar's last chance.

Most of JLR's products are technically very good, the XF, the Disco, the LR, the XJ, the XK and so on.
I remember the day we went to Jaguar at Castle Bromwich in 2007 and were laughing about the new XF, that the brand gonna get bust anyway, how wrong we were...

LukeBird

17,170 posts

231 months

Monday 7th December 2009
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Good for Jaguar! thumbup

vintageracer01

873 posts

197 months

Tuesday 8th December 2009
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What a wonderful car!!!
So much nicer than the odd Mercedes E or the boring BMW 5, and much more interesting than an Audi A6.
And so much power of the XFR for a relatively decent prize.
And listen to the lovely noise the thing makes!
First time ever I am tempted by a sedan. Well, sports sedan.

Jaguar deserves ALL the success!!!


Edited by vintageracer01 on Tuesday 8th December 01:28