Not allowed to take photos at school nativity
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Just about to go to our 4yo's first school play.
Brought home from work my HD camcorder, only to be told by my OH that the letter about it stated that photos/filming would not be permitted due to the Data Protection Act. Apparently, some parents signed a form stating they didn't want peple to take images of thier kids.
Well f
k you, who the fk are you to remove my right to have a record of my child's progress through school. Especially when the code of good practice issued by the Information Commissioner's Office clearly states the Data Protection Act does not apply....
Of course, the head is so fking wrapped up in NewLabia bullst that she has recorded lateness for my kid because we 'joined the line after the whistle'. Funny that, actually waiting until the whistle before queueing up...
Just printing off te guidance from the ICO, to be presented with a polite request that I am allowed to film. If this is refused I'll follow up with an official complaint.
Tossers
Brought home from work my HD camcorder, only to be told by my OH that the letter about it stated that photos/filming would not be permitted due to the Data Protection Act. Apparently, some parents signed a form stating they didn't want peple to take images of thier kids.
Well f
k you, who the fk are you to remove my right to have a record of my child's progress through school. Especially when the code of good practice issued by the Information Commissioner's Office clearly states the Data Protection Act does not apply....Of course, the head is so f
king wrapped up in NewLabia bullst that she has recorded lateness for my kid because we 'joined the line after the whistle'. Funny that, actually waiting until the whistle before queueing up...Just printing off te guidance from the ICO, to be presented with a polite request that I am allowed to film. If this is refused I'll follow up with an official complaint.
Tossers
I'm really glad my Daughter went to the local Catholic primary school.
The headmaster there actually helped to physically build the school.
His approach was to send the parents a letter stating that filming / photography was allowed, unless someone came in to see him and told him why it shouldn't be.
Their child was then excluded from the proceedings.
The headmaster there actually helped to physically build the school.
His approach was to send the parents a letter stating that filming / photography was allowed, unless someone came in to see him and told him why it shouldn't be.
Their child was then excluded from the proceedings.
It's ridiculous and I feel sorry for you.
My son did a gymnastics display on Saturday, and we had to sign a disclaimer of sorts and wear bright tags to show we were allowed to film.
I think that's a sensible approach rather than not filming at all, albeit still a pain.
Thankfully we can film his play this week, no proceedures!
My son did a gymnastics display on Saturday, and we had to sign a disclaimer of sorts and wear bright tags to show we were allowed to film.
I think that's a sensible approach rather than not filming at all, albeit still a pain.
Thankfully we can film his play this week, no proceedures!
Unfortunately schools are generally private property (ie owned by a trust, the school itself etc) rather than public land, so the owners are quite within their rights to bar filming & photography.
How that relates to the Head (if they're not on the board of trustees/governors) having the authority to make the same decision, I don't know.
I appreciate that's not *why* the Head's proscribing it, but be prepared for that comeback if you challenge things.
(and, yes, DPA has sod all to do with it)
How that relates to the Head (if they're not on the board of trustees/governors) having the authority to make the same decision, I don't know.
I appreciate that's not *why* the Head's proscribing it, but be prepared for that comeback if you challenge things.
(and, yes, DPA has sod all to do with it)
Edited by Famous Graham on Tuesday 8th December 09:35
I think I would be very tempted to ask for a written explanation as to why you were being accused of fiddling with kids, which is basically what this amounts to.
At work we regularly work with Children (being a youth centre its hard to avoid), we also regularly take photos of the activities so kids, parents and schools have a record of things that have gone on. To do this we ask each parent to sign a consent form for the photos to be taken and used for project promotional purposes. To date we have had one objection to this and that was from a parent who was in care to protect her from a violent abusive father.
None of the schools I work with have had a severe reaction to this topic, and most have covered any issues by simply asking all parents for permission. Lets face it, there have been kiddy fiddlers for 100's of years but only since the growth of the internet has there been mass histeria about them. A little bit of commmon sense will go a lot further than any heavy handed application of safeguarding procedures, especially when they stray so far from the guidance that genuine caring parents are made to feel angry.
At work we regularly work with Children (being a youth centre its hard to avoid), we also regularly take photos of the activities so kids, parents and schools have a record of things that have gone on. To do this we ask each parent to sign a consent form for the photos to be taken and used for project promotional purposes. To date we have had one objection to this and that was from a parent who was in care to protect her from a violent abusive father.
None of the schools I work with have had a severe reaction to this topic, and most have covered any issues by simply asking all parents for permission. Lets face it, there have been kiddy fiddlers for 100's of years but only since the growth of the internet has there been mass histeria about them. A little bit of commmon sense will go a lot further than any heavy handed application of safeguarding procedures, especially when they stray so far from the guidance that genuine caring parents are made to feel angry.
convert said:
I'm really glad my Daughter went to the local Catholic primary school.
The headmaster there actually helped to physically build the school.
His approach was to send the parents a letter stating that filming / photography was allowed, unless someone came in to see him and told him why it shouldn't be.
Their child was then excluded from the proceedings.
Exactly how it should be imo. Why should one parent have the right to deny the recording of what will be precious family memories just because of their paranoia and unfounded fear?The headmaster there actually helped to physically build the school.
His approach was to send the parents a letter stating that filming / photography was allowed, unless someone came in to see him and told him why it shouldn't be.
Their child was then excluded from the proceedings.
And besides, we need a fresh supply of material for You've Been Framed in 10 years' time.
This play isbeing held at the local church, does that not count as a public place? Or at the very least the school have no claim to witholding permission based on it being thier land....
Bolshy is exactly the word to describe this head, she really is so far up her own arse her tonsils smell of st.
Bolshy is exactly the word to describe this head, she really is so far up her own arse her tonsils smell of s
t.convert said:
I'm really glad my Daughter went to the local Catholic primary school.
The headmaster there actually helped to physically build the school.
His approach was to send the parents a letter stating that filming / photography was allowed, unless someone came in to see him and told him why it shouldn't be.
Their child was then excluded from the proceedings.
Now that, I like. The rate of change in young kids is so fast. These memories need capturing for posterity. The headmaster there actually helped to physically build the school.
His approach was to send the parents a letter stating that filming / photography was allowed, unless someone came in to see him and told him why it shouldn't be.
Their child was then excluded from the proceedings.
Sway said:
This play isbeing held at the local church, does that not count as a public place? Or at the very least the school have no claim to witholding permission based on it being thier land....
Bolshy is exactly the word to describe this head, she really is so far up her own arse her tonsils smell of st.
The place does not matter, when the pupils are in school time the school has a duty of care for them. This basically smells like the head wants to play it safe, and didn't bother thinking of the very simple solution to the issue by asking for permission upfront. Bolshy is exactly the word to describe this head, she really is so far up her own arse her tonsils smell of s
t.Is the play today?
If every kid taking part has a parent that turns up then the head should be able to stand up and ask for verbal permission.
Edited by Chris_w666 on Tuesday 8th December 09:42
Timely thread!
Got an email today from my daughter's nursery saying her nativity play is on Thursday (great, thanks for the notice!)
Its a private nursery and their policy is:
Please let me know in advance if you have any objection to your child being included in any photographs taken by other parents at any of these events.
Presumably thos e who do object, remove their kids from proceedings - the correct approach IMHO
Got an email today from my daughter's nursery saying her nativity play is on Thursday (great, thanks for the notice!)
Its a private nursery and their policy is:
Please let me know in advance if you have any objection to your child being included in any photographs taken by other parents at any of these events.
Presumably thos e who do object, remove their kids from proceedings - the correct approach IMHO
On a completely different note, and I hope you don't mind me mentioning this as it certainly isn't worth its own thread, I was at the gym last night and afterwards sat in the bar and had some food while there was a tennis lesson going on (you can see through the window from the bar to the courts) and I noticed a tennis coach taking pictures on his phone of a 10? year old girl as she was going through the actions of her serve.
A couple of years ago I probably wouldn't have batted an eyelid, but these days you have to be VERY careful. The hoops I had to jump through to get my coaching certificates etc. Touching the kids to show them grip etc is a no-no nowadays, never mind taking a picture of them on your phone.
A couple of years ago I probably wouldn't have batted an eyelid, but these days you have to be VERY careful. The hoops I had to jump through to get my coaching certificates etc. Touching the kids to show them grip etc is a no-no nowadays, never mind taking a picture of them on your phone.
When we took my daughter swimming for the very first time - I wanted to take photos of it in the local pool. It didn't occur to me that I'd not be allowed to - I got a real telling off for it too. My argument of "but she's the only child in the pool" (my OH was in the water with her and the pool was totally empty other than us) held no sway... Bah!
Exclusion of any child who's parents are stupid enough to request no photos is the only way forward.
To be honest neither of my kids have ever had a big role in the school plays but I still like to take a few pics and some video. If we werent allowed then I would just withdraw them from the play, they wouldnt be bothered.
The primary school my youngest attends bring in a local video company who make a pretty good DVD that the school then sell for £10 a time, profits help to buy things for the school, I think this is the best answer.
To be honest neither of my kids have ever had a big role in the school plays but I still like to take a few pics and some video. If we werent allowed then I would just withdraw them from the play, they wouldnt be bothered.
The primary school my youngest attends bring in a local video company who make a pretty good DVD that the school then sell for £10 a time, profits help to buy things for the school, I think this is the best answer.
At our schools the Junior school has an open policy and if you do not want your children to be filmed please feel free to remove them from the performance.
The infant school says that they would prefer no filming since the constant camera flashes puts the kids off. However they then arrange a photo op at the end of the performance so that everyone can take a phot of they beloved dressed as a donkey or what have you.
Both cases sensible.
Of course in both situations they will be a pro fim crew there producing the official DVD for a few quid - but the the school has to make money somehow and you dno;t have to buy it.
For the OP, if you are really annoyed about it write to the school governers for an explanation.
Worse one i've experianced was at a local footy torunament. People wandering around telling us we could no photograph our own kids. The official photographer was allowed too and appeared to be able to sell the images to whoever wanted them at an extortionate rate from his van at the side of the pitch...that was a little odd.
We just carried out taking one or two pictures what the worse the little fking hitlers are going to do?
The infant school says that they would prefer no filming since the constant camera flashes puts the kids off. However they then arrange a photo op at the end of the performance so that everyone can take a phot of they beloved dressed as a donkey or what have you.
Both cases sensible.
Of course in both situations they will be a pro fim crew there producing the official DVD for a few quid - but the the school has to make money somehow and you dno;t have to buy it.
For the OP, if you are really annoyed about it write to the school governers for an explanation.
Worse one i've experianced was at a local footy torunament. People wandering around telling us we could no photograph our own kids. The official photographer was allowed too and appeared to be able to sell the images to whoever wanted them at an extortionate rate from his van at the side of the pitch...that was a little odd.
We just carried out taking one or two pictures what the worse the little f
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