One for the maths geniuses - Double Integration - PART 2!!
One for the maths geniuses - Double Integration - PART 2!!
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K87

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2,111 posts

217 months

Saturday 12th December 2009
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Ok so I know how much you all loved last nights evening entertainment of maths homework so I have kindly prepared another for you all!!

Using double integration, find the area for x > 0 that is enclosed by the y axis, the curve y = 3 - x^2, and the line y = 2x

I have an answer, but reading back through the question I'm not so sure now as I don't know how to do it so it's just the value of area x above the x axis.

Anyways, answers on a postcard again.

I get 10.667

fandango_c

1,992 posts

216 months

Saturday 12th December 2009
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One and two thirds.
No double integration needed.

Cmurder

1,725 posts

210 months

Saturday 12th December 2009
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i will say this once and once only ........................ lay off the crack pipe

K87

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2,111 posts

217 months

Sunday 13th December 2009
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fandango_c said:
One and two thirds.
No double integration needed.
How did you get that? Bearing in mind the question says to use double integration?

V8LM

5,560 posts

239 months

Sunday 13th December 2009
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Yup, one and two thirds. And no, this is not double integration, but involves two integrations.

The line y = 2x crosses the quadratic y = 3 - x^2 at x = -3 and x = 1.

The integration of 3 - x^2 is 3x - x^3/3 + c

The area between the x-axis and the quadratic over x = 0 and x = 1 is 3 - 1/3 = 2 2/3.

The integration of 2x is x^2 + c

The area between the x-axis and the line over x = 0 and x = 1 is 1

Therefore, area between quadratic and line is 2 2/3 - 1 = 1 2/3

Edited by V8LM on Sunday 13th December 08:56

Driller

8,310 posts

308 months

Sunday 13th December 2009
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Bunch of nutters...

fandango_c

1,992 posts

216 months

Sunday 13th December 2009
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V8LM said:
Yup, one and two thirds. And no, this is not double integration, but involves two integrations.

The line y = 2x crosses the quadratic y = 3 - x^2 at x = -3 and x = 1.

The integration of 3 - x^2 is 3x - x^3/3 + c

The area between the x-axis and the quadratic over x = 0 and x = 1 is 3 - 1/3 = 2 2/3.

The integration of 2x is x^2 + c

The area between the x-axis and the line over x = 0 and x = 1 is 1

Therefore, area between quadratic and line is 2 2/3 - 1 = 1 2/3

Edited by V8LM on Sunday 13th December 08:56
Alternatively just integrate 3 - x^2 -2x

AndyAudi

3,984 posts

252 months

Sunday 13th December 2009
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It bothers me that I don't understand this.
I know I must've done this at school I sat & passed both Higher and Sixth Year Studies Maths.

Only relatively recently I had to look up how to do Long Division as I was surprised to discover I did not know how to do it, despite learning it at primary.

How much stuff have I forgotten already simply because I don't use it?

diesel head

391 posts

239 months

Sunday 13th December 2009
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AndyAudi said:
It bothers me that I don't understand this.
I know I must've done this at school I sat & passed both Higher and Sixth Year Studies Maths.

Only relatively recently I had to look up how to do Long Division as I was surprised to discover I did not know how to do it, despite learning it at primary.

How much stuff have I forgotten already simply because I don't use it?
Tell me about it, I was so embarrassed at work on Thursday as I just couldn't work out the percentage difference between two numbers. I felt slightly better when I passed it to the guy who sits opposite me and he couldn't do it either but even so!!

V8LM

5,560 posts

239 months

Sunday 13th December 2009
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fandango_c said:
I said:
a load of stuff
Alternatively just integrate 3 - x^2 -2x
Doh.

K87

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2,111 posts

217 months

Sunday 13th December 2009
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AndyAudi said:
It bothers me that I don't understand this.
I know I must've done this at school I sat & passed both Higher and Sixth Year Studies Maths.

Only relatively recently I had to look up how to do Long Division as I was surprised to discover I did not know how to do it, despite learning it at primary.

How much stuff have I forgotten already simply because I don't use it?
If it make you feel any better its sencond year degree level.

V8LM

5,560 posts

239 months

Monday 14th December 2009
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K87 said:
If it make you feel any better its sencond year degree level.
eek Sorry, but what degree?

BigBen

12,159 posts

260 months

Monday 14th December 2009
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V8LM said:
K87 said:
If it make you feel any better its sencond year degree level.
eek Sorry, but what degree?
Hopefully something like needlework and not anything related to engineering.

WorAl

10,877 posts

218 months

Monday 14th December 2009
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Will be Mechanical Engineering or something similar, only came across this stuff when I was at uni doing Marine Engineering - and to be honest, can't remember a thing about it, would have to get my books out, just dont have a mind that remembers stuff.

K87

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2,111 posts

217 months

Monday 14th December 2009
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Automotive engineering. The annoying thing is I know I will never use it, thats what computer programmes are for these days!

emicen

9,238 posts

248 months

Monday 14th December 2009
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K87 said:
Automotive engineering. The annoying thing is I know I will never use it, thats what computer programmes are for these days!
Do the programmes write themselves? Noo, thats why you need to understand it.

Wait till year three and you'll have to do manual checks to confirm FEA & CFD analyses.

V8LM

5,560 posts

239 months

Monday 14th December 2009
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K87 said:
Automotive engineering. The annoying thing is I know I will never use it, thats what computer programmes are for these days!
I used to say that (when I was doing integration at 'O' level - old git me) but now make a living writing computer software. I also find it curious why calculus was dropped from both GSCE and, more worringly, 'A' levels. What replaced it?

BMWBen

4,906 posts

231 months

Monday 14th December 2009
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V8LM said:
K87 said:
Automotive engineering. The annoying thing is I know I will never use it, thats what computer programmes are for these days!
I used to say that (when I was doing integration at 'O' level - old git me) but now make a living writing computer software. I also find it curious why calculus was dropped from both GSCE and, more worringly, 'A' levels. What replaced it?
I did my a-levels in 2002, and it was in there then! When did it get dropped? I find that hard to believe...

Planet Claire

3,419 posts

239 months

Monday 14th December 2009
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V8LM said:
K87 said:
Automotive engineering. The annoying thing is I know I will never use it, thats what computer programmes are for these days!
I used to say that (when I was doing integration at 'O' level - old git me) but now make a living writing computer software. I also find it curious why calculus was dropped from both GSCE and, more worringly, 'A' levels. What replaced it?
I was tutoring a girl last year who was doing the Maths iGCSE exam and was pleasantly suprised to see basic differentiation was in there.

I certainly covered calculus in my A-Level exam in '91 and was tutoring a boy a few years ago and he was learning it too. Have they really taken it off the A-Level syllabus? I can't believe universities would be accepting Maths undergraduates without having already covered calculus.

V8LM

5,560 posts

239 months

Monday 14th December 2009
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It may just be the standard excuse of our students then - "No, we never did that." whistle