308 GT4 or Mondial 3.4?
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Anyone owned either?
Quite like the look of either a low mileage nice 308 GT4, or a 3.4 Mondial.
Fancy putting £20k into something which will hold its money.
Seen a 50,000 mile 308 and a 34,000 mile 3.4 both for sub £20k.
I fully expect to have to spend money keeping them tip top, but can they be kept outside (under a breathable cover), and are these a money pit?
Quite like the look of either a low mileage nice 308 GT4, or a 3.4 Mondial.
Fancy putting £20k into something which will hold its money.
Seen a 50,000 mile 308 and a 34,000 mile 3.4 both for sub £20k.
I fully expect to have to spend money keeping them tip top, but can they be kept outside (under a breathable cover), and are these a money pit?
If you are basing your decision on the need for rear seats, bear in mind that when the front seats are pushed back into a position where a person of average height would be comfortable, there is no rear legroom at all - fine if your kids are babies. The Mondial has decent rear legroom.
I'm not sure I would want to keep any Ferrari of those vintages outside under a breathable cover. In this weather I'd guarantee that the interior would suffer.
I'm not sure I would want to keep any Ferrari of those vintages outside under a breathable cover. In this weather I'd guarantee that the interior would suffer.
I've owned GT4s for about 6 years now, they are very reasonable to run if you pick the right one. Also values have definately bottomed out and are even on the way up. You wouldn't want to keep one outside though. It is a classic car - which is reflected in the driving experience, which is good or bad depending on your tastes.
The Mondial I have no direct experience of, but check out the servicing costs vs a 308 on the Verdi website. The 3.4 has a longitudinally mounted engine which (officially) makes clutches and belt changes an engine out job and a lot more expensive. It will benefit from superior performance and can be made to sound like a modern F1 car with the right exhaust. But it's likely to cost more to run and there's less chance of an upswing in values in the near term.
The Mondial I have no direct experience of, but check out the servicing costs vs a 308 on the Verdi website. The 3.4 has a longitudinally mounted engine which (officially) makes clutches and belt changes an engine out job and a lot more expensive. It will benefit from superior performance and can be made to sound like a modern F1 car with the right exhaust. But it's likely to cost more to run and there's less chance of an upswing in values in the near term.
judas said:
Mondial clutch change shouldn't be an engine out job if it's anything like the 348, which uses the same engine and configuration. Indeed, a clutch change of a 348 is very easy because it's right at the end of the drivetrain with only the exhaust and bumper in the way.
He means belt changes...Murph7355 said:
judas said:
Mondial clutch change shouldn't be an engine out job if it's anything like the 348, which uses the same engine and configuration. Indeed, a clutch change of a 348 is very easy because it's right at the end of the drivetrain with only the exhaust and bumper in the way.
He means belt changes...
judas said:
Murph7355 said:
judas said:
Mondial clutch change shouldn't be an engine out job if it's anything like the 348, which uses the same engine and configuration. Indeed, a clutch change of a 348 is very easy because it's right at the end of the drivetrain with only the exhaust and bumper in the way.
He means belt changes...
But it seems only the belt change requires engine out, so happy to be corrected.
Belts aren’t too difficult with the drive train in the car on a Mondial T, the extra inches and improved access make it doable without dropping the drive train.............which on any mongo isn’t exactly difficult (disconnect, water, fuel, aircon and electrics, remove 16 bolts, lift the car up out of the way and roll the drive train out)
Had a 308 GT4 for a short while. It was a 25 year old, two owner car with 11,000 genuine miles on the clock.
Despite my real concerns when driving up from near Gatwick in bloody awful weather conditions, the car drove faultlessly and was a real pleasure to own and run.
It started first time and even when covered in a really hard frost overnight in Wales.
I personally think that they look much better than the Mondial, but that just my view.
Once they hit 3,000 revs, the exhaust note is fantastic and they ride as though on rails.
I really regret selling it now.
Despite my real concerns when driving up from near Gatwick in bloody awful weather conditions, the car drove faultlessly and was a real pleasure to own and run.
It started first time and even when covered in a really hard frost overnight in Wales.
I personally think that they look much better than the Mondial, but that just my view.
Once they hit 3,000 revs, the exhaust note is fantastic and they ride as though on rails.
I really regret selling it now.
Edited by Davel on Monday 14th December 21:52
Edited by Davel on Tuesday 15th December 09:25
burriana said:
judas said:
Edo - YHM 
Blimey Pete, you're not thinking of selling yours for £20k are you?!
It's not in the classifieds yet but I may as well get some feedback: Linky
edo said:
This bit in the service history is the killer for me "Car was declared a total insurance loss on 17 September 1996 and subsequently rebuilt"
Yes,I expect that to put off a lot of people, but I'm being upfront about it and pricing accordingly - unlike some sellers. However, it was nearly 14 years ago and since then the car has been thoroughly examined by the guys at Shiltech and given a clean bill of health.There is an almost pathological aversion to accident damaged cars, yet there are so many cars out there that have been crashed and badly repaired without appearing on the register. Also, there are more reasons than just lots of damage that cars are written off, especially at this end of the market: availability of parts, cost of parts, cost of replacement hire car, which, if it's another supercar, will be in the several thousand a week range - that will quickly make a car uneconomical to repair if parts are hard to get hold of.
If you're prepared to consider cars like mine they often represent amazing value for money. As always, buy on condition and price - stamps in a service book and non-appearance on the insurance register aren't guarantees of quality.
I think the price is right for the car, others may think differently.
Anyhow, sorry hijacking your thread
Edited by judas on Tuesday 15th December 10:45
judas said:
edo said:
This bit in the service history is the killer for me "Car was declared a total insurance loss on 17 September 1996 and subsequently rebuilt"
Yes,I expect that to put off a lot of people, but I'm being upfront about it and pricing accordingly - unlike some sellers. However, it was nearly 14 years ago and since then the car has been thoroughly examined by the guys at Shiltech and given a clean bill of health.There is an almost pathological aversion to accident damaged cars, yet there are so many cars out there that have been crashed and badly repaired without appearing on the register. Also, there are more reasons than just lots of damage that cars are written off, especially at this end of the market: availability of parts, cost of parts, cost of replacement hire car, which, if it's another supercar, will be in the several thousand a week range - that will quickly make a car uneconomical to repair if parts are hard to get hold of.
If you're prepared to consider cars like mine they often represent amazing value for money. As always, buy on condition and price - stamps in a service book and non-appearance on the insurance register aren't guarantees of quality.
I think the price is right for the car, others may think differently.
Anyhow, sorry hijacking your thread
Edited by judas on Tuesday 15th December 10:45
Good look with the sale though - the car looks mint.
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