Europipe TT/X50 Exhaust Info

[Spie]

My new X50 arrives 1st March and in anticipation I have been looking at exhaust options. One of the more popular choices, at least in the States, appears to be the Europipe Stage II in "Loud" or "Quiet" form. Today I e-mailed Europipe with a few questions :-

Dear Sir,

I am soon to take delivery of a new Porsche 911 Turbo complete with factory fitted X50 450BHP power kit and am most interested in your 996 TT Stage 2 Exhaust System. I have some questions for you :-

1 - Is this exhaust suitable for the X50 equipped TT?
2 - If so, is the power and torque increase +18HP/+19ft.lbs that you quote for the standard TT or is it more?
3 - Is the performance identical between Stage 2 Loud and Quiet?
4 - Are there any other modifications required when this system is fitted such as air filter change?
5 - Can you ship to the UK (where I live) and if so what is the total cost?

Thank you for your attention.

I have just received this reply :-

Thank you for your interest in our exhausts .

1) The exhaust is indeed suitable for the X50 version .

2) The power and torque gains are identical on both the TT / X50 and GT2 .
The X50 and GT2 use larger size turbochargers and therefore have a somewhat larger turbolag compared to the normal 996 Turbo .
With the reduced backpressure of the Stage 2 exhaust the turbolag will almost disappear , especially on the X50 and GT2 models .
Frankly , it is the increased low end torque and better trottle responce you will feel .

3) The stage 2 quiet and louder version are identical performance wise .

4) This is a bolt on modification , no other parts are needed .
The proper tools are included .

5) Here are the prices :

Stage 2 loud / quiet exhaust : € 3320.00
Enlarged dual tailpipes : € 465.00
2 sets of 70 mm exhaust clamps : € 70.00
Total : € 3855.00
UPS shipping to the UK : € 57.00

Prices in Euro without VAT
Belgian VAT is 21 %

Just e-mail me or call if you have other questions .

Sincerely ,

Stef Tourné

So far I'm impressed, and their website - www.europipe.be/1024.html contains lots of information, dyno charts, pictures and videos.

Does anyone have any direct experience of this company, specifically their Stage II exhaust? Is there much difference between the quiet and loud versions?

Any information gratefully received

>>> Edited by Spie on Wednesday 28th January 22:59

[johnny senna]

Interesting.
Had you considered a Tubi? I searched the archives on exhausts for 996 Turbos recently (hopefully my next car after my present Boxster S), and Manu (who sells them) really did stick up for his product when asked about it. The price wasn't bad as I remember either. Much cheaper than the Ruf version.
Why not contact them and see what they have to say? I'm sorry if you've already been down this line.
www.scuderiasystems.com/index2.htm

[grant3]

Spie,
I don't have first hand experience of the Europipe, but I do of the Cargraphic system. The problem with the Turbo is all it's plumming cuts the engine noise, so a louder exhaust sounds great outside, but not much louder inside. But if you go for a loud version it can get boomy inside & sound agricultural outside. Best go for the quiet version I think, the one thing you do notice is the quicker spool up of the Turbo's,this is the main benefit, but is mainly down to the 100 cell cats. Check on the resonance before you buy.

If it was me I would keep the car standard until I started to get used to the performance & then add the exhaust system. The standard car is PLENTY FAST ENOUGH initially !!

[dc911]

I had the Europipe Stage 2 loud on my GT2 and must say WOW, I travelled over to Belgium and had them fit the exhaust on the car. Actually worked out cheaper than having it shipped and fitted over here in the uk. Great set of guys to, turned up to their factory at 630am on a saturday morning to be greated by them with breakfast!!! The exhaust is complete quality and looks like a work of art, the performance is excellent and seems to get rid of any lag and gives you a harder thump all the way through the rev range. If you do go for this exhaust i guarantee you will be 100% satisfied and will see yourself driving round just to hear it, and the added bonus of there being no resonance inside the car and no "booming" just foot down hear the turbo whistle and what a sound the exhaust makes.
Have the original GT2 exhaust still if anyone is interested in it, only done 2000 miles so is like new.
Cheers
Darren

[Spie]

Darren - Thanks for the information. It certainly confirms that Europipe make a quality product and value customer service.

How could it have been cheaper to drive to Belgium as they quoted just 57 Euros shipping? Did you listen to the Quiet version? I'm all for more exhaust note presence but I'm concerned that the Loud version will become tiresome and intrusive on the motorway.

[getcarter]

I was considering this but was told categorically that it would invalidate the Porsche warranty.

Have you spoken to your OPC regarding this, or is it not a problem for you?

Steve

[Spie]

getcarter said:

I was considering this but was told categorically that it would invalidate the Porsche warranty. Have you spoken to your OPC regarding this, or is it not a problem for you? Steve

Not spoken to my OPC Steve, but in reality what could they contest? It's only an exhaust change and one that is proven to work without problems.

[GuyR]

The UK Porsche warranty specifically states that ANY modifications void the entire warranty.

I would not want to be in the position of arguing against them if you had a big problem (and all engine problems on turbos/GT2s are very expensive).

Worst case, say an engine failure (it has happened to some Turbos and GT2s) and they can turn round and say "I'm afraid we believe that by modifying the exhaust it affected the boost pressure or fuel ratio, which caused the failure".........

I asked my OPC about aftermarket exhausts on my GT2 and they categorically stated it voided the warranty.

Sadly in the US the laws are different and the modification must be proven to have caused the failure for them to bounce the claim.

There are some tuners that provide warranties, such as Roock, Ruf and Digi-tec and DMS, but I'm not quite sure how these work in the event of certain types of peripheral claims - do they argue with Porsche whose warranty it falls under?

[Spie]

Just spoke to my OPC regarding warranty and this was their response. If the aftermarket item fitted is likely to have caused the problem then the warranty for the part only affected by the modification is void. They stressed that it was highly unlikely an exhaust change would cause an engine problem and therefore warranty would be unaffected. An ECU change/chipping however was a different matter. They considered it likely that any such modification could be the cause of an engine malfunction and therefore the engine would not be covered. In either case only the rest of the car would still be fully covered.

On that basis I'm happy to take a very small risk that this exhaust could cause a warranty issue. It appears very unlikely and quite frankly, life's too short

>> Edited by Spie on Monday 9th February 17:11

[dazren]

I'd get that in writing.

DAZ

[GuyR]

Get it in writing, as conversations have a habit of being 'forgotten' when big problems arise or if the staff changes.

I asked my OPC Service Manager about fitting an aftermarket exhaust and he said categorically it would invalidate my engine warranty on the GT2.

Guy