Website help

[Byff]

I made my first website using trial and error techniques with Dreamweaver.

I'm now trying to update it a bit and was wanting to do frames, but I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. All the individual frames are saved and uploaded, but I can't see them in explorer, 404 error - but comes up ok in dreamweaver. I've got to the point where the frame sets appear but with no content.

Is it the way I'm saving it?

website here

and the bit I'm testing this out on is the "test link"

Also, my file structure is getting a bit messy - any tips as to keeping things in order?

[bigtone]

Are the files you are referencing in the frameset page in the correct directories, like Fasthedder.htm? IE doesn't want to open that one either for me, so it could be that its in a subdirectory? Try sticking all the referenced files in the same directory as the frameset....

[judas]

I can see it's running on an Apache server, which means the filenames may be case sensitive, ie Fastbody.htm and fastbody.htm are completely different as far as the server is concerned.

Apart from that, all I can think of it that the frames are pointing at the wrong place.

[Byff]

All the individual frames are saved in the same place, frameset is called FastClean1, individual frames saved as body, hedder, menu etc and all saved together.

Will try the case sensitive stuff now.

Thanks

Edit to add: Now got the page coming up, but still probs with the links. Trial and error is a bloody hard way to learn stuff.

>> Edited by Byff on Thursday 29th January 18:18

>> Edited by Byff on Thursday 29th January 18:27

[shamus1972]

Have you created an "index" page?

[TheExcession]

Seems you got it working then - great effort - love to see peope getting websites up for the first time!

You might wanna consider getting rid of the background mud splat behind the text as it makes it tricky to read - see if if you can sort it out with inline frames or a table, both of which should take a back ground image - tables definately do.

Superb effort and love those green wheels!

best
Ex

[Byff]

The slow and dirty bit will be having a re-vamp aswell, so will take those comments on board.

[arcturus]

Great first effort - my only comment would be watch out for the overall file size of your pages.

The home page is 247kb and for those of us without broadband that can take a while to load (thus putting some people off).

You need to work on your image optimisation a bit. Take the tvrclouds picture, which is 135kb. By optimising it a bit, I have reduced it to 48kb with hardly any noticeable degradation, thus making it quicker to download for us rural analogue types. With a bit of patience it could be optimised even further, but this is just a quick demo. I used Photoshop, but there are plenty of other programs that will achieve the same result.

You can see the result here:
www.tenburycomputers.com/images/tvrclouds2.jpg

[docevi1]

a couple of other pointers, the link in the navigation frame needs to state which frame to display the link in, do this by adding target="..." into the hyperlink html.

On the other side, frames are generally disliked. There are various reasons, the main one been search engine robots have difficulty traversing your site with them on. They can also cause a lot of confusion and a lot of the time don't look that grand. Then again, if you like them, use them. My site is a right bodge of php and html (I cringe looking at it), but I like it and am not ready to change it just yet.

On another note, may I suggest you investigate tables, and put images as the background. On my monitor (running 1152*something) your cloud image repeats and it doesn't look that appealing Personally, I like sites which don't use the whole monitor size and limit themselves to a rectangle somewhere. I think it focuses the eyes somewhat. Maybe it's just my monitor (19"er). To see what I mean by that, and the bodge have a deeks at the link in my profile.

>> Edited by docevi1 on Friday 30th January 00:23

[stevieb]

Hi byff im in the same situation doing a site but, as i cant use DW i gone for Adobe Golive seems to be a bit easier to pic up...

But for the site some advice i recieved was to design for a set pixel size possible 1024x768 i designed my site for 800 x 600. but still strugling to finish it to a decent standard.

Also as said before try and reduce the size of the pics...

Off topic
Did you recieve my mail earlier today regarding the homecinema?

Steve

[Byff]

All comments duely noted.

Steve, no I didn't get your mail. Can you try to resend it.

[ErnestM]

I find that 640x480 pictures (or thereabout) give you maximum ability for people to load. Also, Byff, the dpi on your piccies is about 113. Try reducing dpi to about 72. You will still get good results but it will cut down the load time...

Good Effort
ErnestM