Israel harvested organs in ’90s without consent

[JacksHereR]

Israel has admitted that in the 1990s, its forensic pathologists harvested organs from Palestinians.


Military confirms informal practice, claims it ‘does not happen anymore’ - yeh right.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34503294/ns/world_news...

^^

[groucho]

I was watching this on RT two days ago and wondered why I haven't seen it elsewhere.

[audidoody]

Dead or alive?

[Eric Mc]

Just like some British hospitals did.

[JacksHereR]

audidoody said:

Dead or alive?

Both dead and alive.

[RichBurley]

Eric Mc said:

Just like some British hospitals did.

what, british military hospitals harvested foreigners organs in the 1990s?

[RichBurley]

JacksHereR said:

audidoody said:

Dead or alive?

Both dead and alive.

only says dead in the article

[JacksHereR]

RichBurley said:

Eric Mc said:

Just like some British hospitals did.

what, british military hospitals harvested foreigners organs in the 1990s?

I doubt anyone else needed to... the global economy and all, I expect Israel was selling organs to the West throughout that time.

[JacksHereR]

RichBurley said:

JacksHereR said:

audidoody said:

Dead or alive?

Both dead and alive.

only says dead in the article

I expect some were alive up to the point of their donation. Skin harvesting sounds like a torture technique which I wouldnt put past them.

[Eric Mc]

RichBurley said:

Eric Mc said:

Just like some British hospitals did.

what, british military hospitals harvested foreigners organs in the 1990s?

British hospitals removed organs, bone and tissues from deceased patients without obtaining permission in advance from the deceased or the next of kin. The Alder Hay hospital became the main target of investiagtive journalists on this issue.

I'm sure most of the "victims" were British but there might have been the odd foreigner included - I mean, why discriminate?

Edited by Eric Mc on Thursday 24th December 11:32

[JacksHereR]

Its a good job the british hospitals wernt in a position where they could abduct and imprison thousands of healthy people to meet any demand.

Edited by JacksHereR on Thursday 24th December 11:37

[968]

Eric Mc said:

RichBurley said:

Eric Mc said:

Just like some British hospitals did.

what, british military hospitals harvested foreigners organs in the 1990s?

British hospitals removed organs, bone and tissues from deceased patients without obtaining permission in advance from the deceased or the next of kin. The Alder Hay hospital became the main target of investiagtive journalists on this issue.

I'm sure most of the "victims" were British but there might have been the odd foreigner included - I mean, why discriminate?

Edited by Eric Mc on Thursday 24th December 11:32

Slight difference between Alder Hey, the organs harvested there were kept as specimens for study purposes, which doesn't justify it, whereas here the organs were donated to Israeli citizens for therapeutic use. Both cases are equally reprehensible, without consent.

[ln1234]

The Channel 2 report said that in the 1990s, forensic specialists at Abu Kabir harvested skin, corneas, heart valves and bones from the bodies of Israeli soldiers, Israeli citizens, Palestinians and foreign workers, often without permission from relatives.

Thats just wrong

Edited by ln1234 on Thursday 24th December 11:40

[Eric Mc]

JacksHereR said:

Its a good job the british hospitals wernt in a position where they could abduct and imprison thousands of healthy people to meet any demand.

Edited by JacksHereR on Thursday 24th December 11:37

Are you claiming that they took organs from LIVE people, or killed them in order to obtain those organs?

If that is indeed the case, then that is a crime against humanity.

On the other hand, making use of the bodies of people who have died in combat or in a "war" type situation is not anything like as awful. Obviously, the matter of consent is important but that is more a medical ethics issue rather than a criminal issue.

[Rollin]

Article says that both Israelis and Palestinians were affected.

[chris watton]

And you can bet your bottom dollar that if it were te Palestinians harvesing the organs, it wouldn't even be in the MSM.....

[Scraggles]

ln1234 said:

The Channel 2 report said that in the 1990s, forensic specialists at Abu Kabir harvested skin, corneas, heart valves and bones from the bodies of Israeli soldiers, Israeli citizens, Palestinians and foreign workers, often without permission from relatives.

Thats just wrong

Someone is dead, not coming back, better to use their organs to help people as what is left is only going to scooped up and dropped into a wooden box to be either burnt and fed to the worms underground

[ln1234]

Scraggles said:

ln1234 said:

The Channel 2 report said that in the 1990s, forensic specialists at Abu Kabir harvested skin, corneas, heart valves and bones from the bodies of Israeli soldiers, Israeli citizens, Palestinians and foreign workers, often without permission from relatives.

Thats just wrong

Someone is dead, not coming back, better to use their organs to help people as what is left is only going to scooped up and dropped into a wooden box to be either burnt and fed to the worms underground

Who's decision is that to make - the families, or the people working in the institution?

[968]

Scraggles said:

ln1234 said:

The Channel 2 report said that in the 1990s, forensic specialists at Abu Kabir harvested skin, corneas, heart valves and bones from the bodies of Israeli soldiers, Israeli citizens, Palestinians and foreign workers, often without permission from relatives.

Thats just wrong

Someone is dead, not coming back, better to use their organs to help people as what is left is only going to scooped up and dropped into a wooden box to be either burnt and fed to the worms underground

No, sorry, that's not acceptable. Whatever your views on organ donation (and mine is that it should be compulsory, and only opted out of) if no consent has been obtained, it is not acceptable to take such action. The Alder Hey scandal demonstrated the public revulsion of such acts.

[968]

Eric Mc said:

Obviously, the matter of consent is important but that is more a medical ethics issue rather than a criminal issue.

By definition that is a criminal issue. Accepting such practices opens the gateway for decisions being made contrary to the agreement of individuals, hence disregarding their rights. It's perhaps the MOST serious issue in medicine.