Pre-reg 520d M-Sport
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I've been thinking about pushing the boat out and getting a 3 month old 5 series. 59reg, 7000m, Prof sat nav, leather and 19" alloys. It's a tad over £25 grand. (Used the BMW configurator and it came to £33700). Seems quite a reasonable price to me. However, thoughts as to whether it's a tad foolish to spend that on an outgoing model. This would be the most I've ever spent on a car (by some margin) and, while I appreciate no car is an investment, I don't want to find it's worth only peanuts in 3-4 years time!
The price doesn't seem outrageous for a car with that spec... But being the end of the E60 line, it will definitely depreciate more than it would have done 3 years ago. If you believe Parkers, a 3.5 year old 520d M sport is today worth about half it's purchase price as a P/X, so your car would probably have sunk a bit lower than that in 3-4 years time.
Elroy Blue said:
I've been thinking about pushing the boat out and getting a 3 month old 5 series. 59reg, 7000m, Prof sat nav, leather and 19" alloys. It's a tad over £25 grand. (Used the BMW configurator and it came to £33700). Seems quite a reasonable price to me. However, thoughts as to whether it's a tad foolish to spend that on an outgoing model. This would be the most I've ever spent on a car (by some margin) and, while I appreciate no car is an investment, I don't want to find it's worth only peanuts in 3-4 years time!
I appreciate it is a nice and well equipped 5 series, but its a lot of money to spend on one with only a 2 litre engine. I think you could do better, especially with only three months to go before the E60 is replaced and dealerships will try to shift them with attractive deals. In a matter of months that £25k will buy you an as well equipped 535D, which is a much better match to that size of car. sonnyb said:
Elroy Blue said:
I've been thinking about pushing the boat out and getting a 3 month old 5 series. 59reg, 7000m, Prof sat nav, leather and 19" alloys. It's a tad over £25 grand. (Used the BMW configurator and it came to £33700). Seems quite a reasonable price to me. However, thoughts as to whether it's a tad foolish to spend that on an outgoing model. This would be the most I've ever spent on a car (by some margin) and, while I appreciate no car is an investment, I don't want to find it's worth only peanuts in 3-4 years time!
I appreciate it is a nice and well equipped 5 series, but its a lot of money to spend on one with only a 2 litre engine. I think you could do better, especially with only three months to go before the E60 is replaced and dealerships will try to shift them with attractive deals. In a matter of months that £25k will buy you an as well equipped 535D, which is a much better match to that size of car. Elroy Blue said:
I've been thinking about pushing the boat out and getting a 3 month old 5 series. 59reg, 7000m, Prof sat nav, leather and 19" alloys. It's a tad over £25 grand. (Used the BMW configurator and it came to £33700). Seems quite a reasonable price to me. However, thoughts as to whether it's a tad foolish to spend that on an outgoing model. This would be the most I've ever spent on a car (by some margin) and, while I appreciate no car is an investment, I don't want to find it's worth only peanuts in 3-4 years time!
Is this not the business edition car, that came / comes with a lot of extras for £1000 more than the standard car?I'd be careful for several reasons
(a) there are quite a few on AUC with delivery miles for £25490 with leather, nav and the 19's. This would suggest you could push one of those dealers under £25K and have a true 'pre-registered' car, rather than one that has pushed up 7K miles in three months.
(b) I'd check out what a new one could be bought for (NOT using the configurator). I dont think a discount of 10% is unlikely, so if one is say, £31K new, you could have the car for maybe £27K - and that would be it registered in 2010 with 0 miles.
(c) with regards to (b) you might also find that, depending on how you are paying for the car, BMW will put money into 'the pot' for the finance deal on a new car - usually £1500 - which you dont get on a used car.
(d) also the finance rate is usually preferable on a new car
(e) if you were looking at a PCP deal, then it might work out better to buy new, as the new car would be 2010, not 2009.
I looked at year old 535d's at one point and was able to strike a better deal on a new one, than buying used, based on the above points.
Good luck!
As an aside, a guy on HonestJohn bought a built to his spec 330d coupe from Sytner Coventry, £6250 off list.
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?f...
They might be worth calling....
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?f...
They might be worth calling....
pgilc1 said:
Fox- said:
You dont want a 520d anyway - needs to be a 530d if you want a diesel really. 4 pots are for 1 Series.
Depends on your needs.The 520d has a surprisingly capable engine.
I'm off to have a shower as I feel violated.
Elroy Blue said:
Why not?
Well if 'adaquete' is all you want why not save tens of thousands of quid, buy something adaquete and go on more holidays?Elroy Blue said:
A 535d would be nice, but for long term costs, I would have no problem with a 520d.
The difference in long term cost between a 520d and a 530d (Discounting the 535d for now) is nothing that would trouble somebody with the spending power to justify a £25,000 car.For the sort of money you are spending, I would want an 'absolutely excellent' car rather than merely an 'adaquete' one. The 530d is closer to this brief than a 520d - the 2.0 diesel is a good engine but the 5 Series is an executive saloon and suits 6 cylinder power far, far more than 4 cylinder power. The 2 litre is best left in a 1 Series where it belongs.
I have driven many 120d and 320d and for a 4 pot diesel, its a good engine. But I'm ALWAYS glad to be back in a 6 cylinder 5 Series. It's just... better. It is quieter, it is more refined, the power delivery is smoother...
Edited by Fox- on Saturday 26th December 21:31
Fox- said:
Elroy Blue said:
Why not?
Well if 'adaquete' is all you want why not save tens of thousands of quid, buy something adaquete and go on more holidays?Elroy Blue said:
A 535d would be nice, but for long term costs, I would have no problem with a 520d.
The difference in long term cost between a 520d and a 530d (Discounting the 535d for now) is nothing that would trouble somebody with the spending power to justify a £25,000 car.For the sort of money you are spending, I would want an 'absolutely excellent' car rather than merely an 'adaquete' one. The 530d is closer to this brief than a 520d - the 2.0 diesel is a good engine but the 5 Series is an executive saloon and suits 6 cylinder power far, far more than 4 cylinder power. The 2 litre is best left in a 1 Series where it belongs.
I have driven many 120d and 320d and for a 4 pot diesel, its a good engine. But I'm ALWAYS glad to be back in a 6 cylinder 5 Series. It's just... better. It is quieter, it is more refined, the power delivery is smoother...
Edited by Fox- on Saturday 26th December 21:31
With respect to your e39 5 series, which dont get me wrong was a good car in its time, you really need to be trying out a new e60 520d M Sport against a new e60 530d M Sport, rather than comparing a 120d against an old model petrol variant.
Whilst we'd all drive the latest model with the biggest engine if we could afford it, the 520d is a superb all rounder.
I've owned two 535d's in the last couple of years, and TBH great as they were, i dont think i'd walk past a smaller engined diesel to buy another one, if i were so inclined to be spending that amount again.
Also, such is the way these days, large engined petrols, and now large engines diesels are being seen as out of favour with the 5 series buying public - so much so that i think something like 70% of all 5 series sold are now 520d's. All good news come resale time.
Edited by pgilc1 on Saturday 26th December 23:19
Edited by pgilc1 on Saturday 26th December 23:19
Edited by pgilc1 on Saturday 26th December 23:23
I have tried an LCI 520d - although it was a manual and I think it would be better suited to an automatic.
My point still stands - the 5 Series needs a 6 cylinder powerplant.
I find it hard to understand the penny pinching ethos that goes on when spending such a large amount of money on a car. I'm not in the position to spend £25k on a car yet I'd never feel the need to save money on fuel with a 4 pot so why would you with that much more spending power?
Pistonheads guys - not 'oooh I got 55mpg last week, better than the 47mpg my mate gets with his 530d'heads.
My point still stands - the 5 Series needs a 6 cylinder powerplant.
I find it hard to understand the penny pinching ethos that goes on when spending such a large amount of money on a car. I'm not in the position to spend £25k on a car yet I'd never feel the need to save money on fuel with a 4 pot so why would you with that much more spending power?
Pistonheads guys - not 'oooh I got 55mpg last week, better than the 47mpg my mate gets with his 530d'heads.
Edited by Fox- on Sunday 27th December 00:43
Hi I think it is choice here. After a succession of 'adequate' fleet cars and having had a z4mc I ignored the chance of a company 520d and bought my own 330i se. Why? I loved the flat 6 and this is close to M power with better running costs however if I could have had the 530d or 535d I would have had the company car. The 520d is great but if you are on pistonheads will it satisfy in the long term? I decided 'no'. If you decide it's good that's fine and it is a great engine but for thrills, given the build an older bigger engined '5' may be worth considering. On running costs depreciation will outway everything else so don't get too hung up on mpg!!!!
And good luck!!!
And good luck!!!
Fox- said:
I have tried an LCI 520d - although it was a manual and I think it would be better suited to an automatic.
My point still stands - the 5 Series needs a 6 cylinder powerplant.
I find it hard to understand the penny pinching ethos that goes on when spending such a large amount of money on a car. I'm not in the position to spend £25k on a car yet I'd never feel the need to save money on fuel with a 4 pot so why would you with that much more spending power?
Pistonheads guys - not 'oooh I got 55mpg last week, better than the 47mpg my mate gets with his 530d'heads.
I think you're talking here about the 'ideal world' rather than the 'real world'.My point still stands - the 5 Series needs a 6 cylinder powerplant.
I find it hard to understand the penny pinching ethos that goes on when spending such a large amount of money on a car. I'm not in the position to spend £25k on a car yet I'd never feel the need to save money on fuel with a 4 pot so why would you with that much more spending power?
Pistonheads guys - not 'oooh I got 55mpg last week, better than the 47mpg my mate gets with his 530d'heads.
Edited by Fox- on Sunday 27th December 00:43
You're not taking into account peoples situations and priorities here but just judging the car - actually a lot like you did when you jumped on me for buying a Passat Bluemotion, without knowing the context in which it was bought.
Its very easy to say people spending £25K should just go ahead and spend another £5K and buy a bigger engined diesel. Its also very easy to say that this is pistonheads therefore you must buy the fastest version possible, or that you shouldnt worry about fuel economy and just buy the engine that sounds good.
Unfortunately the real world doesnt operate like that. People always have parameters that they put around their buying decisions. It may well be that someone is at the upper limit of their budget at £25K, therefore the fact that a 'better' model exists for £5K more is irrespective. Their daily commute may mean they never get to use the extra 80 or so BHP that the 530d would bring, so why bother paying for it. It may be that they - like most five series buyers - like the idea of wafting long at 70mph with cruise control on in absolute comfort, therefore the fact that it wont win the traffic light grand prix against a teenager in a hot hatch doesnt bother them in the least. They may prefer a newer smaller engined variant than an older big engined version with the out of warranty running costs that may bring.
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