suspension weight setup

[nitrosman1]

does anyone know what the setup should be on a 6l vxr ro mine feels a bit out of balance to me and im thinking of getting mine weighed ,if i can find somewhere with scales that is

[Magic919]

Have you been on the sauce?

[nitrosman1]

Magic919 said:

Have you been on the sauce?

www.nsxprime.com/FAQ/Performance/cornerbalance.htm
this is what i mean

[Magic919]

Sure, I'm familiar with the concept. I just think it's the answer to a question nobody is actually asking.

Wheels, tyres, geometry and suspension I can see greatly affecting the car. I'd probably be digging around there before I started looking at corner weights.

[S800VXR]

Corner weight setup is very important if you want a well set up car. I think The fish can offer this service.

[nitrosman1]

well if monkfish has scales then the problems solved hes getting a call from me soon anyhow

[ARAF]

nitrosman1 said:

well if monkfish has scales

A friend of mine has a set, but he won't let my 8 on them, as they won't take the weight.

[MyM8V8]

nitrosman1 said:

does anyone know what the setup should be on a 6l vxr ro mine feels a bit out of balance to me and im thinking of getting mine weighed ,if i can find somewhere with scales that is

Unless you've had the gas axe to the car I can't see that front/rear or crossweight percentages have altered. You need to look else where for the problem IMHO. Start with tyres/ pressures and then have a think about shocks and springs. Have you had a bump big enough to move the subframe around? If so deffo have a geometry set up first.

If you can get it on a set of scales, you need to have some info from a well set up Ro to compare. Just my 2p worth.

[nitrosman1]

MyM8V8 said:

nitrosman1 said:

does anyone know what the setup should be on a 6l vxr ro mine feels a bit out of balance to me and im thinking of getting mine weighed ,if i can find somewhere with scales that is

Unless you've had the gas axe to the car I can't see that front/rear or crossweight percentages have altered. You need to look else where for the problem IMHO. Start with tyres/ pressures and then have a think about shocks and springs. Have you had a bump big enough to move the subframe around? If so deffo have a geometry set up first.

If you can get it on a set of scales, you need to have some info from a well set up Ro to compare. Just my 2p worth.

well i have the pedders adjustable coilover set fitted i attempted to raise the height at the back as it settled a good 25mm because its just too low ,but for some weird reason is sitting lower one side although the springs are set at the same height at the back i want to know if something has moved or what hence i want the corners weighted to get the full picture as to whats going on

Edited by nitrosman1 on Monday 28th December 09:24

[MyM8V8]

nitrosman1 said:

MyM8V8 said:

nitrosman1 said:

does anyone know what the setup should be on a 6l vxr ro mine feels a bit out of balance to me and im thinking of getting mine weighed ,if i can find somewhere with scales that is

Unless you've had the gas axe to the car I can't see that front/rear or crossweight percentages have altered. You need to look else where for the problem IMHO. Start with tyres/ pressures and then have a think about shocks and springs. Have you had a bump big enough to move the subframe around? If so deffo have a geometry set up first.

If you can get it on a set of scales, you need to have some info from a well set up Ro to compare. Just my 2p worth.

well i have the ap adjustable coilover set fitted i attempted to raise the height at the back as it settled a good 25mm because its just too low ,but for some weird reason is sitting lower one side although the springs are set at the same height at the back i want to know if something has moved or what hence i want the corners weighted to get the full picture as to whats going on

Yup, you need to get it on scales. Sounds as though it's all over the place. BTW, How do you know your shock settings are in sync? Just because you have the same number of clicks dialled in doesn't mean the valving will be identical. If you really want to know you need a shock dyno.

[nitrosman1]

MyM8V8 said:

nitrosman1 said:

MyM8V8 said:

nitrosman1 said:

does anyone know what the setup should be on a 6l vxr ro mine feels a bit out of balance to me and im thinking of getting mine weighed ,if i can find somewhere with scales that is

Unless you've had the gas axe to the car I can't see that front/rear or crossweight percentages have altered. You need to look else where for the problem IMHO. Start with tyres/ pressures and then have a think about shocks and springs. Have you had a bump big enough to move the subframe around? If so deffo have a geometry set up first.

If you can get it on a set of scales, you need to have some info from a well set up Ro to compare. Just my 2p worth.

well i have the ap adjustable coilover set fitted i attempted to raise the height at the back as it settled a good 25mm because its just too low ,but for some weird reason is sitting lower one side although the springs are set at the same height at the back i want to know if something has moved or what hence i want the corners weighted to get the full picture as to whats going on

Yup, you need to get it on scales. Sounds as though it's all over the place. BTW, How do you know your shock settings are in sync? Just because you have the same number of clicks dialled in doesn't mean the valving will be identical. If you really want to know you need a shock dyno.

your havin a laugh i cant even find a place in my area with scales let alone a shock dyno

[Magic919]

Shouldn't you be getting it to Roger to stick it on the Hunter and check geo? I'm presuming that's where the shocks came from. Why waste money elsewhere?

[ARAF]

nitrosman1 said:

....for some weird reason is sitting lower one side although the springs are set at the same height at the back i want to know if something has moved or what hence i want the corners weighted to get the full picture as to whats going on

Not necessarily wrong. BMW's often sit up to 20mm lower on one side, yet drive fine.

[DaveVXR]

I thought corner weighting was done on a working setup, not as a tool to correct a problem.

[nitrosman1]

DaveVXR said:

I thought corner weighting was done on a working setup, not as a tool to correct a problem.

well i see my car as a working setup my coilovers are adjustable hence there is room for error when adjusting the ride hight of the car also there has been alot of settlement at the back of the car i personally think the rear springs are a bit too short as the top of tyres are sitting up level to lip of the wheel arches and yet the adjusters are nearly the max setting if i lowered the car to say half way on the adjusters the tyres would rub
i have had the car setup on a 30k hunter by people who i can trust
i had a little play again with the back springs yesterday which has restored most of the general feel of the car but to my mind just think how good the car would be if i had the corners weighted also just ask peeps who had theirs done it can make a huge difference to how the car handles i because it it means each tyre is taking its fair share of the weight of the car and a milimeter difference in adjustment on the shock can mean that two of the tyres carrying extra weight than they need to and the oposite tyres not taking their fair share
the only info i can find on how the cars weight is distributed is about 53% to the front does this sound right but this doesnt take into acount that the car maybe also heavier on one side than the other

Edited by nitrosman1 on Tuesday 29th December 17:50

[DaveVXR]

Ah ok, get you.

Where abouts are you, someone should know of a good suspension setup place near you (if not Monkfish).

[nitrosman1]

DaveVXR said:

Ah ok, get you.

Where abouts are you, someone should know of a good suspension setup place near you (if not Monkfish).

Im in bournemouth im happy to do the work myself just need the scales but i dont know of any garage around here with scales to even get the work done and to buy a set is about £1500 quid alot of money just to set the car up , not sure but i dont think monkfish ownins a set of scales tho

[ferb]

What about using corner gauge like this www.paceproducts.co.uk/public_html/php/products_info.php?productID=access/cornerweightcheckers&parent=2 Simple to use your self. I've used something simalar with my old single seater hillclimb car

[nitrosman1]

ferb said:

What about using corner gauge like this www.paceproducts.co.uk/public_html/php/products_info.php?productID=access/cornerweightcheckers&parent=2 Simple to use your self. I've used something simalar with my old single seater hillclimb car

looks like it might do the trick tho i imagine that scales would be easier to use are what the method of use this type of guage

[ferb]

Scales are a lot easier to use but the corner weight is a 10th of the price of scales
I found a couple of links, one shows the corner weight gauge www.calverst.com/articles/SUS-Suspension-Corner_weights_and_bump_steer_basics.htm The other is a video but there using scales www.youtube.com/watch?v=njh_hNoFkOA&feature=related
If you need more info just google on youtube Hope this helps

Edited by ferb on Wednesday 30th December 23:39