Tacho says 28mph. Gatso says 30mph!
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"Daily Mail" as reported by Ray Massey and Sam Greenhill.
Speed camera critics have reacted with rage after motorist (Former ADI instructor - Mr Minn) was given fixed penalty for 1mph over limit on Tottenham High Road (A10), London.
Mr Minn denies driving his 10 ton truck at that speed. His tacho proves he was doing 28mph. He said: "I was flabbergasted. I do not believe the cameras can be so accurate. Speedometers have a margin of error. So do the cameras!"
(Some errors from what I have read on here, in the press and seen on the telly this week!)
Mr Minn: "It feels quite threatening to get a speeding ticket like this!" (At least 2 million by all accounts feel the same way - if what I have read and seen here is correct!)
Mr Minn and the Freight Transport Association challenged the fine, and the Met Police have agreed to rescind the ticket. "It was a human error!"
Mr Minn has yet to receive his letter of apology.
Letter of apology? Whoever sent it out should pay Mr Minn £60 and have 3 points at least on his own driving licence for sending out a NOIP without due care and attention. The numpties that sent out the ones at 480mph and 406mph should get 6 points on their own licences! If they are that careless at work, they could be even more naff behind the wheel of a car!
Mr Minn's reaction is one of delight that it has been cancelled, but still fuming at receiving one in the first place. "Most would have been scared and paid up. I almost did!" (Exactly what these rogues prey on!)
Edmund King (RAC): "Apart from the inaccuracies, we believe this is dangerous. You do not want motorists driving along staring at their speedmometers instead of at the road ahead!"
OOOPS! Title should have read THIRTY ONE! Well, never said I WAS perfekt! Better not apply for a job in the Scam clerical division then!
>>> Edited by WildCat on Saturday 31st January 18:39
Speed camera critics have reacted with rage after motorist (Former ADI instructor - Mr Minn) was given fixed penalty for 1mph over limit on Tottenham High Road (A10), London.
Mr Minn denies driving his 10 ton truck at that speed. His tacho proves he was doing 28mph. He said: "I was flabbergasted. I do not believe the cameras can be so accurate. Speedometers have a margin of error. So do the cameras!"
(Some errors from what I have read on here, in the press and seen on the telly this week!)
Mr Minn: "It feels quite threatening to get a speeding ticket like this!" (At least 2 million by all accounts feel the same way - if what I have read and seen here is correct!)
Mr Minn and the Freight Transport Association challenged the fine, and the Met Police have agreed to rescind the ticket. "It was a human error!"
Mr Minn has yet to receive his letter of apology.
Letter of apology? Whoever sent it out should pay Mr Minn £60 and have 3 points at least on his own driving licence for sending out a NOIP without due care and attention. The numpties that sent out the ones at 480mph and 406mph should get 6 points on their own licences! If they are that careless at work, they could be even more naff behind the wheel of a car!
Mr Minn's reaction is one of delight that it has been cancelled, but still fuming at receiving one in the first place. "Most would have been scared and paid up. I almost did!" (Exactly what these rogues prey on!)
Edmund King (RAC): "Apart from the inaccuracies, we believe this is dangerous. You do not want motorists driving along staring at their speedmometers instead of at the road ahead!"
OOOPS! Title should have read THIRTY ONE! Well, never said I WAS perfekt! Better not apply for a job in the Scam clerical division then!
>>> Edited by WildCat on Saturday 31st January 18:39
WildCat said:
[ ... ] the Met Police have agreed to rescind the ticket. "It was a human error!"
Perhaps he was driving a Peugeot 31
This appears to be another example where other evidence easily available to the accused (read "victim") demonstrates an error in the "case". How many innocent motorists have paid out fines and collected points (or worse) because they (a) were refused sight of the scamer's "evidence" without a court appearance (with its attendant and one-sided risk of increased penalty if actually guilty) and (b) had no independent means of disproving the accusation?
There are enough of these cases now to justify a total cessation of scamera-levied fines and a re-examination of all past convictions.
I call for justice for the motorist.
Streaky
(Just one small voice crying ... with thousands of others!)
>> Edited by streaky on Sunday 1st February 21:02
streaky said:
How many innocent motorists have paid out fines and collected points (or worse) because they .... had not independent means of disproving the accusation?
This absurd. Here we have a case with 100% proof that the camera is in the wrong.
As streaky says above - what chance do us mere mortals have to dis-prove the scameras?
K
This makes me laugh (in a good way)
The police/commisioners can look at your tacho, see that you have been speeding in (for talking sake) a 7.5 tonner. Doing 70mph down a motorway, speed limit for a 7.5 on a Motorway is 60.
They can do nothing about it.
But when they send you a NIP for speeding, you can use your Tacho to prove you weren't.
Go figure
The police/commisioners can look at your tacho, see that you have been speeding in (for talking sake) a 7.5 tonner. Doing 70mph down a motorway, speed limit for a 7.5 on a Motorway is 60.
They can do nothing about it.
But when they send you a NIP for speeding, you can use your Tacho to prove you weren't.
Go figure
tvradict said:The reporter said "proves" and reporters can sometimes be less than accurate in their choice of words. Yhe "evidence" of the tachometer chart was not tested in court - so it is/was not "proof" of the driver not speeding.
This makes me laugh (in a good way)
The police/commisioners can look at your tacho, see that you have been speeding in (for talking sake) a 7.5 tonner. Doing 70mph down a motorway, speed limit for a 7.5 on a Motorway is 60.
They can do nothing about it.
But when they send you a NIP for speeding, you can use your Tacho to prove you weren't.
Go figure
And anyway, if such evidence were to be introduced into court on behalf of the defendant - to call into question the veracity of the prosecution's evidence - and the magistrate/jury were to decide that the prosecution had not proved its case beyond reasonable doubt because the tachometer chart gave rise to the doubt, that is still not proof and the absolute accuracy of the chart is not questioned.
It is something of a dual standard, but in a case such as described, the "evidence" of the chart would be used in different ways and for different ends.
Of course, if the prosecution were to question the accuracy of the tachometer - and it could be demonstrated to have been certified (whatever is required, I don't know) at the appropriate intervals - and the prosecution were to triumph, then a can of worms could be opened up in regard to other (non-speeding) cases where the tachometer chart had been successfully used as evidence (ie. "proof") for the prosecution!
Streaky
(IANAL, but I act as an expert witness - on both sides - in my area of specialism)
The speed limit for a truck not exceeding 7.5 ton on a motorway is 70mph. They are allowed in the outside lane of a motorway as well. Atb Derek
www.highwaycode.gov.uk/09.shtml
>> Edited by Winnebago Nut on Sunday 1st February 22:35
www.highwaycode.gov.uk/09.shtml
>> Edited by Winnebago Nut on Sunday 1st February 22:35
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