Has anyone got a Lumix G1?
Discussion
I did a quick search, couldn't find anything for the G1.
I believe it is fairly new to the market?
I had a good look at one of Christmas - although it isn't for me, for wifey.
It would be her first DSLR - and looked the business. I think the size of it is her main appeal.....as the functionality appears to be as good as the larger SLRs......
Any opinions ye or ney?
thanks
I believe it is fairly new to the market?
I had a good look at one of Christmas - although it isn't for me, for wifey.
It would be her first DSLR - and looked the business. I think the size of it is her main appeal.....as the functionality appears to be as good as the larger SLRs......
Any opinions ye or ney?
thanks
Apparently it came out in September 2008:
www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonicdmcg1/
Whilst it has interchangeable lenses it is not a DSLR; I'd regard it as more of a posh bridge camera.
www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonicdmcg1/
Whilst it has interchangeable lenses it is not a DSLR; I'd regard it as more of a posh bridge camera.
Edited by Simpo Two on Monday 4th January 10:53
I had a GH1 which I bought because I did not want to carry my DSLR outfit on a holiday in a hot and poor country.
Image-quality wise it was surprisingly good, except for the dynamic range which was not nearly as good as my Fuji S5Pro but almost on a par with my friends Nikon D200 ( see the DXO sensor tests) but it had its limitations regarding speed of readiness to capture an unforseen image.
My example also suffered from some build quality issues and so I returned it.
I think that the G1 is a great concept, it's light, inexpensive and has a big electronic viewfinder, which like Marmite you will love or hate.
Image-quality wise it was surprisingly good, except for the dynamic range which was not nearly as good as my Fuji S5Pro but almost on a par with my friends Nikon D200 ( see the DXO sensor tests) but it had its limitations regarding speed of readiness to capture an unforseen image.
My example also suffered from some build quality issues and so I returned it.
I think that the G1 is a great concept, it's light, inexpensive and has a big electronic viewfinder, which like Marmite you will love or hate.
RacerMDR said:
the shop I was in was billing it as a DSLR........what makes it not a SLR? the fact it is a non prism viewfinder?
An SLR uses an angled mirror and pentamirror/pentaprism to bring the image from the lens to the viewfinder. When you press the button, the mirror flips up ('reflex') and allows the light to pass through a mechanical shutter to the sensor. Thus you are seeing exactly what the lens sees in all its optical loveliness.The camera in question lacks all of this - in this repect it's really no more than a compact with a removeable lens. The viewfinder is electronic (ie it's like looking at a little TV screen). The shop should certainly not call it a DSLR, but it goes to show how even they've been fooled by the marketing department putting a lump on top...
That said, it will be a very good compact and probably more than enough for most people who don't want a DSLR.
Edited by Simpo Two on Monday 4th January 14:05
Simpo Two said:
An SLR uses an angled mirror and pentamirror/pentaprism to bring the image from the lens to the viewfinder. When you press the button, the mirror flips up ('reflex')
...... it's really no more than a compact with a removeable lens.
If I understand what you have written (being picky ...... it's really no more than a compact with a removeable lens.
) youare using the word 'reflex' as a noun - as in 'relex action', when infact it's an adjective - as in 'reflected'.
The camera is compact with a removeable lens but the sensor is larger than in a compact, it's the same size, or larger in the case of the GH1 than
the sensors in current Olympus DSLR cameras.
I don't have one, so I'm not saying "I've got one and (hence) it's excellent"; I'm saying I have a (proper
) crop sensor DSLR but I think the Micro 4/3rds quality is surprisingly close to some DSLRs of 2 or 3 years ago.Edited by Elderly on Monday 4th January 14:47
Elderly said:
Simpo Two said:
An SLR uses an angled mirror and pentamirror/pentaprism to bring the image from the lens to the viewfinder. When you press the button, the mirror flips up ('reflex')
...... it's really no more than a compact with a removeable lens.
If I understand what you have written (being picky ...... it's really no more than a compact with a removeable lens.
) youare using the word 'reflex' as a noun - as in 'relex action', when infact it's an adjective - as in 'reflected'.
Look 'reflex' up in the dictionary
and you will see the first definition is - "bent or turned back".
There's no movement of the mirror in a 'Twin Lens Reflex' camera
and so I believe that the word reflex in (D)SLR useage is descibing what the reflex mirror does
to the path of the light whilst in its rest position, and does not describing the movement of the mirror itself as you press the shutter release.
and you will see the first definition is - "bent or turned back".
There's no movement of the mirror in a 'Twin Lens Reflex' camera
and so I believe that the word reflex in (D)SLR useage is descibing what the reflex mirror does
to the path of the light whilst in its rest position, and does not describing the movement of the mirror itself as you press the shutter release.
Elderly said:
Look 'reflex' up in the dictionary
and you will see the first definition is - "bent or turned back".
There's no movement of the mirror in a 'Twin Lens Reflex' camera
and so I believe that the word reflex in (D)SLR useage is descibing what the reflex mirror does
to the path of the light whilst in its rest position, and does not describing the movement of the mirror itself as you press the shutter release.
Good logic. It must have seemed miraculous at the time that they could squeeze both taking and viewing lenses of a TLR into one!and you will see the first definition is - "bent or turned back".
There's no movement of the mirror in a 'Twin Lens Reflex' camera
and so I believe that the word reflex in (D)SLR useage is descibing what the reflex mirror does
to the path of the light whilst in its rest position, and does not describing the movement of the mirror itself as you press the shutter release.
However describing the motion of the mirror as a reflex is rather more fun... it is the reflex action associated with pressing the button
Simpo Two said:
RacerMDR said:
the shop I was in was billing it as a DSLR........what makes it not a SLR? the fact it is a non prism viewfinder?
An SLR uses an angled mirror and pentamirror/pentaprism to bring the image from the lens to the viewfinder. When you press the button, the mirror flips up ('reflex') and allows the light to pass through a mechanical shutter to the sensor. Thus you are seeing exactly what the lens sees in all its optical loveliness.The camera in question lacks all of this - in this repect it's really no more than a compact with a removeable lens. The viewfinder is electronic (ie it's like looking at a little TV screen). The shop should certainly not call it a DSLR, but it goes to show how even they've been fooled by the marketing department putting a lump on top...
That said, it will be a very good compact and probably more than enough for most people who don't want a DSLR.
Edited by Simpo Two on Monday 4th January 14:05
G20RG B said:
In the G1 camera you actually get 100% field of view my understanding was that with a reflex camera you only get say 95% is this correct.
No, although most are not quite 100% for reasons of space I think. However I have never understood nor found this to be of any importance.G20RG B said:
My local camera guy has been selling lots of 4/3rds type cameras and does not seem to see any of the drawbacks mentioned above infact he see's it as an advantage
Yes, he's quoting 'benefits' to people - he sells cameras!One thing that IS a dealbreaker for me on a camera that pretends to be serious is an EVF - YUK!
friend has the DMC-LX3 as a pocket camera (he is piccy about his cameras, no pun intended) which I was impressed with (and certainly scared less people than my 350D+430EXII flash when with friends at the weekend.)
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0807/08072102panasoni...
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0807/08072102panasoni...
Bought one in January and took it on holiday over the last couple of weeks. I'm a big Canon fan, and we moved up from the Powershot A710 to this.
I've never owned a proper SLR camera, but I'm finding this incredibly easy to use and breathtaking in quality (shame the same can't be said of my eye).
I'll post some pics up later this evening.
I've never owned a proper SLR camera, but I'm finding this incredibly easy to use and breathtaking in quality (shame the same can't be said of my eye).
I'll post some pics up later this evening.
gingerpaul said:
I've got the GF1 and there is a strong case for this if you are concerned about the size of the camera. I can't see the point in the G1 at all. You get the bulk but without the features. If you were happy with the size of the G1 then you'd be better off getting a proper DSLR.
I have a Canon 30D but got a GF1 for MrsTwo as the 30D was so bulky. Great camera if you want DSLR quality but don't want the size.There is nothing major wrong with the G1 or the micro 4/3 format even compared to full size SLRs for the vast majority of people.
I have Nikon D300 and loads of lenses. Most of the time, a camera like the G1 will provide similar quality for A4 sized prints. The G1 is also much , much smaller and lighter.
It is too easy for camera bores to look down on cameras like the Lumix and instead recommend Canon or Nikon. That's fine, but do not underestimate the advantage of light weight and small size.
I bought a Lumix GH1 for my misses. She hates the Nikon because it is such a heavy brick.
And you know what, the Lumix is terrific ! So good in fact that I can see myself gettng a little GF1. I know I would use a GF1 a lot more than a use the Nikon.
I don't shoot motorsport. I am not a paparazzi. Frankly , I can't be arsed to haul the Nikon gear around anymore.
These little Lumix cameras like the G1,GF1 and GH1 are great IMO.
Go to Flickr on the web. Type in Panasonic G1 ( or GF1 or GH1 as they have similar sensors and the same lenses) and check out the real pictures people take with these cameras. They are impressive.
I have Nikon D300 and loads of lenses. Most of the time, a camera like the G1 will provide similar quality for A4 sized prints. The G1 is also much , much smaller and lighter.
It is too easy for camera bores to look down on cameras like the Lumix and instead recommend Canon or Nikon. That's fine, but do not underestimate the advantage of light weight and small size.
I bought a Lumix GH1 for my misses. She hates the Nikon because it is such a heavy brick.
And you know what, the Lumix is terrific ! So good in fact that I can see myself gettng a little GF1. I know I would use a GF1 a lot more than a use the Nikon.
I don't shoot motorsport. I am not a paparazzi. Frankly , I can't be arsed to haul the Nikon gear around anymore.
These little Lumix cameras like the G1,GF1 and GH1 are great IMO.
Go to Flickr on the web. Type in Panasonic G1 ( or GF1 or GH1 as they have similar sensors and the same lenses) and check out the real pictures people take with these cameras. They are impressive.
Posted some pics in this thread: http://pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f...
But they don't seem to have garnered any interest!
But they don't seem to have garnered any interest!
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