The Official Sick of the Election Campaign Already Thread...
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FFS we haven't even a date for the election yet, and I'm already sick of it, if it's May 6 we have 4 months of this moronic bulls
t and lying about promising new stuff without explaining some very large cuts and who's got the biggest credibility gap in their tax and spending plans. Does anyone else see the irony in Alastair Darling wondering where the Tories £34B spending gap is coming from, when he presides over a £178Bn hole for 09-10 fiscal year?
I feel awash with apathy already.
t and lying about promising new stuff without explaining some very large cuts and who's got the biggest credibility gap in their tax and spending plans. Does anyone else see the irony in Alastair Darling wondering where the Tories £34B spending gap is coming from, when he presides over a £178Bn hole for 09-10 fiscal year?I feel awash with apathy already.
I was thinking of voting Tories next election.
Now, I'm not so sure.
I think both main Parties are a joke tbh. We get this every election, and in most PMQ's.
The party that says absolutely ZERO about other parties, but talks about exactly what they plan to do when in charge is the party that will get my vote everytime!!!
I have absolutely no interest in hearing one party slate another over their policies.
Stop telling us why we SHOULDN'T vote for them, and start telling us why we SHOULD vote for you!!!!!
Now, I'm not so sure.
I think both main Parties are a joke tbh. We get this every election, and in most PMQ's.
The party that says absolutely ZERO about other parties, but talks about exactly what they plan to do when in charge is the party that will get my vote everytime!!!
I have absolutely no interest in hearing one party slate another over their policies.
Stop telling us why we SHOULDN'T vote for them, and start telling us why we SHOULD vote for you!!!!!
Spiritual_Beggar said:
Stop telling us why we SHOULDN'T vote for them, and start telling us why we SHOULD vote for you!!!!!
In general I agree with you. Positive campaigning is infinitely preferable to listen to.But if there is some desperate falsehood being put about by the opposition I can see why other parties want to "correct" that...
I will be voting for our local Conservative MP although her win is virtually guaranteed anyway.
I believe most people will actually vote tactically at this election. They'll vote for the party most likely to oust the thieving s
t they've learned to hate. Expect headlines about Expenses again soon...The BBC News Channel are loving this, Nick Robinson is almost ejaculating on screen, he is so pleased with himself, getting to gab on at the top of the hour for the first time in a while, maybe the correspondents are paid by the on air minutes.
I'm tempted to vote for whichever grown up says, "NO! Sorry, yes there are things we'd like to do, but truth is we don't think we can afford them, in fact we can't afford a few things we are doing already. We'd like to do/keep but we just can't afford it at the moment. You know like your parents used to say, it's called living within your means..." wouldn't that be a revelation.
Electoral suicide, I know.
I'm tempted to vote for whichever grown up says, "NO! Sorry, yes there are things we'd like to do, but truth is we don't think we can afford them, in fact we can't afford a few things we are doing already. We'd like to do/keep but we just can't afford it at the moment. You know like your parents used to say, it's called living within your means..." wouldn't that be a revelation.
Electoral suicide, I know.
groak said:
I'll ONLY vote if someone pays me £100. No-one's going to, so I won't be voting. There's no-one to vote for, and no point in voting, and I fully support this thread.
In that case at least go up and spoil the paper. Don't sit back and do nothing - that way you have no voice at all.Don said:
Spiritual_Beggar said:
Stop telling us why we SHOULDN'T vote for them, and start telling us why we SHOULD vote for you!!!!!
But if there is some desperate falsehood being put about by the opposition I can see why other parties want to "correct" that...In cases of falsehood then definately pick them up on that, but it seems that the Parties are a little too keen at times to 'Point out' the falsehoods, and not spend as much time detailing how they plan to achieve their policies.
For example, we know that the Tories plan to cut public sector spending, and probably raise tactics (it's innevitable no matter who gets in), but where are these cuts going to happen?! This is the kind of info that WE NEED to know before we can vote for the right Party, IMO
If one of them says. Right,
We will be allowing smoking in pubs (If requested by the landlord)
Reducing fuel duty
Ditching the Green agenda
Removing all speed cameras
Allowing a free vote on fox hunting
Teaching REAL science in schools.
Remove police from the desk to foot patrol.
Open up more police stations 24hr.
Remove student top up fees.
Ditch any attempt in road pricing with cities.
And a few other I cannot think of at the moment then I may listen.
I keep shouting at the TV, Labour you ARE in power why are you NOT doing these things NOW!?
We will be allowing smoking in pubs (If requested by the landlord)
Reducing fuel duty
Ditching the Green agenda
Removing all speed cameras
Allowing a free vote on fox hunting
Teaching REAL science in schools.
Remove police from the desk to foot patrol.
Open up more police stations 24hr.
Remove student top up fees.
Ditch any attempt in road pricing with cities.
And a few other I cannot think of at the moment then I may listen.
I keep shouting at the TV, Labour you ARE in power why are you NOT doing these things NOW!?
Edited by Morningside on Monday 4th January 19:45
Was just about to post a thread with a more or less identical title - I really don't know if I can stand five more months of this bickering like kids in the playground! The reality is, the country's up the creek without a paddle - public spending is a whopping 25% greater than Tax income. Hell, if you ran a company with those sort of losses it would be dead within weeks! My own view is that any party that doesn't have its own finances in check should not be promoted to running UK PLC.
And there's Cameron today pledging to spend more on health! It's like a Director of a massive loss making company suggesting it spends more on its overheads! The reality is, Taxes are gonna have to go up and spending is gonna have to come down - by a LOT. They won't admit to it before an election but there is no other way - it's a mathematical certainty!
The bunch currently in charge are all pointing their fingers at the banker - they're an easy target! Tell you what though, during the growth years the politicians were quite happy to take the credit "no more boom & bust" remember that! They can't have it both ways - take the credit during the good years and blame everyone else during the bad years! They're either responsible or they're not! I can't think of one single politician that I have any respect for - possibly Ken Clark, but that's about it!!!
And there's Cameron today pledging to spend more on health! It's like a Director of a massive loss making company suggesting it spends more on its overheads! The reality is, Taxes are gonna have to go up and spending is gonna have to come down - by a LOT. They won't admit to it before an election but there is no other way - it's a mathematical certainty!
The bunch currently in charge are all pointing their fingers at the banker - they're an easy target! Tell you what though, during the growth years the politicians were quite happy to take the credit "no more boom & bust" remember that! They can't have it both ways - take the credit during the good years and blame everyone else during the bad years! They're either responsible or they're not! I can't think of one single politician that I have any respect for - possibly Ken Clark, but that's about it!!!
srebbe64 said:
Was just about to post a thread with a more or less identical title - I really don't know if I can stand five more months of this bickering like kids in the playground! The reality is, the country's up the creek without a paddle - public spending is a whopping 25% greater than Tax income. Hell, if you ran a company with those sort of losses it would be dead within weeks! My own view is that any party that doesn't have its own finances in check should not be promoted to running UK PLC.
And there's Cameron today pledging to spend more on health! It's like a Director of a massive loss making company suggesting it spends more on its overheads! The reality is, Taxes are gonna have to go up and spending is gonna have to come down - by a LOT. They won't admit to it before an election but there is no other way - it's a mathematical certainty!
The bunch currently in charge are all pointing their fingers at the banker - they're an easy target! Tell you what though, during the growth years the politicians were quite happy to take the credit "no more boom & bust" remember that! They can't have it both ways - take the credit during the good years and blame everyone else during the bad years! They're either responsible or they're not! I can't think of one single politician that I have any respect for - possibly Ken Clark, but that's about it!!!
Thing is, we aren't stupid. I think the public, for the most part, are a pretty savy bunch. We know what problems we're facing, and we know pretty much what's going to have to happen in order to get us out of this mess (not that we're going to like it).And there's Cameron today pledging to spend more on health! It's like a Director of a massive loss making company suggesting it spends more on its overheads! The reality is, Taxes are gonna have to go up and spending is gonna have to come down - by a LOT. They won't admit to it before an election but there is no other way - it's a mathematical certainty!
The bunch currently in charge are all pointing their fingers at the banker - they're an easy target! Tell you what though, during the growth years the politicians were quite happy to take the credit "no more boom & bust" remember that! They can't have it both ways - take the credit during the good years and blame everyone else during the bad years! They're either responsible or they're not! I can't think of one single politician that I have any respect for - possibly Ken Clark, but that's about it!!!
So, why can't these idiot politicians just tell us the truth!? I'd have a hell of a lot more respect if they looked us in the face and told us what we all know needs to happen. Yet they still are in denial about the whole situation, or they just do not want to be the bringers of bad news.
I'd have a lot more respect, and confidence that they know what they're doing, if they came out and told us the facts straight!
What a stupid idea by the Tories gettng stuck on the taxation plan to encourage marriage, it'll be next to nothing and smacks of social engineering, doesn't extend to the benefit system though where claiming as single but living together (illegally) is more lucrative but keeps a small army of beneft investigators set out to criminalise (thus making them less employable) this group of people, keeps civil servants and lawyers in work. There's a public sector saving (civil service, criminal justice system) to be made or I wonder offset saving there with equalising benefit for two uncriminalised single people with a "married" couple?
Possibly the reason for the Conservatives being eager to get started on the campaign trail is that they have far more money to spend than Labour, and therefore want to force Labour into a decision about the date of the election. Go early so they can still afford the campaign, or leave it until May and risk running out of money? Actually, can a political party still govern if it is bankrupt?
BBC this morning going on about Lib-Dems launching their unofficial election campaign....
WTF does that ACTUALLY mean?? How can you launch something unofficially??
The country is broke and we've three groups of incompetant, power-hungry chancers that will say and promise anything to get our vote.
I shall be voting for "none of the above".
WTF does that ACTUALLY mean?? How can you launch something unofficially??
The country is broke and we've three groups of incompetant, power-hungry chancers that will say and promise anything to get our vote.
I shall be voting for "none of the above".
Frederick said:
groak said:
I'll ONLY vote if someone pays me £100. No-one's going to, so I won't be voting. There's no-one to vote for, and no point in voting, and I fully support this thread.
In that case at least go up and spoil the paper. Don't sit back and do nothing - that way you have no voice at all.Fittster said:
Frederick said:
groak said:
I'll ONLY vote if someone pays me £100. No-one's going to, so I won't be voting. There's no-one to vote for, and no point in voting, and I fully support this thread.
In that case at least go up and spoil the paper. Don't sit back and do nothing - that way you have no voice at all.You've got Bob Hope and no hope, and Bob Hope is dead.
There's nothing wrong with the current system of representative democracy, *if* and only if it is administered correctly - no being able to push through laws without Royal assent, no feathering of nests etc - it has to be transparent. We don't have exactly that kind of system at the minute, but with the amount of s
t that hit the fan with regard to expenses etc. it is a damn sight more open than it used to be.What kind of government do you want, a theocratic one? a totalitarian regime?
I quite like being able to vote for who I think would serve the country well - I don't want to be told *who* to vote for.
I always vote for the 'person' (not the party) in my location who is most likely to represent my views and my rights. And I ALWAYS vote because then I have the right to complain afterwards. Someone who doesn't vote but complains all the time doesn't have much credibility. That said, 'spoiling' a ballot paper is a bit like voting in that you're informing the powers that be that none of the candidates/parties are fit for purpose.
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