alpina d3
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bmwcsl

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259 posts

257 months

Saturday 9th January 2010
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What are these like? Are many parts different - i.e. will I have to buy Alpina brake parts etc?

Ecurie Ecosse

4,812 posts

248 months

Saturday 9th January 2010
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IIRC most parts are from the BMW parts bin, rather than being Alpina specific.

I test drove a non bi-turbo and it was great - go for it!

Here is more info here. IIRC the engine is the same as the 123d's, just with a different map (may be wrong though)

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evolongtermtests/2...

Johnny Drama

220 posts

212 months

Saturday 9th January 2010
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I ran a D3 for a couple of years and they're great all rounders. Good performance, economy, residuals and turned more heads than any car I've had before or since.

Contemporary Alpinas share many engine components with the model they're based on. The D3 has 320d internals but the turbo, injectors, intercooler and exhaust come from the 330d. The ECU is reworked by Alpina. Brakes are standard BMW parts but by far the best thing about the D3 is the sublime Alpina tweaked suspension. My current 335i coupe might have a lot more shove than the D3 but it feels far less composed on a twisty road.

Bad bits? The lag caused by the larger turbo and the narrow power band frustrate at times and some bemoan the fixed spec that Sytner offered on the D3. Apart from the clutch being replaced under warranty it never missed a beat. Highly recommended cool




richterswil

872 posts

221 months

Saturday 9th January 2010
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Worth checking out Autocar - they are running their second diesel Alpina at the moment - basically they love it!!

dubbers

16 posts

235 months

Tuesday 12th January 2010
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There's a wealth of info over on http://thealpinaregister.com/forums/. On balance my D3 BT is a country mile better than my previous 535d M Sport. As previous said, its the subtle tweaks Alpina made to the tyres,geo and suspension.



Edited by dubbers on Tuesday 12th January 21:27

B3pete

226 posts

203 months

Tuesday 12th January 2010
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Hello dubbers ,how does the car feel power wise up against the 535d.Also if I mayask how does the manual climate perform,thanks buddy.

bmwcsl

Original Poster:

259 posts

257 months

Tuesday 12th January 2010
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Hi guys, thanks for the replies. I didnt realise there was a bit turbo and non bi turbo. Is the bi turbo a lot better? I really fancy one everyday but if it had pricey alpina brakes etc it would take the shine off. I will check out the links.


Thanks

dubbers

16 posts

235 months

Tuesday 12th January 2010
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The brakes on D3 MT/BT are standard BMW items (IIRC from a 325d SE). The BT is based on the 123d engine with Alpina remap to 214bhp and ~ 330lbft.
Manual shift is a god send after 535d (LCI) - At least Im in control instead of a halfwit/dozy computer tho' the BT Clutch (Delay valve) makes smooth starts tricky but this is common for manual BMWs Im told. Power wise, there is a huge difference if your wanting interstellar travel. My 5er was mapped and could effortlessly hit the speedo limiter (where legally permitted)- The D3 is usefully quick, think MK5 GTI plus a few %. Manual air con, no big deal, it works perfectly and I read somewhere that it was a cost/weight saving.

Edited by dubbers on Tuesday 12th January 21:54

B3pete

226 posts

203 months

Tuesday 12th January 2010
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dubbers said:
The brakes on D3 MT/BT are standard BMW items (IIRC from a 325d SE). The BT is based on the 123d engine with Alpina remap to 214bhp and ~ 330lbft.
Manual shift is a god send after 535d (LCI) - At least Im in control instead of a halfwit/dozy computer tho' the BT Clutch (Delay valve) makes smooth starts tricky but this is common for manual BMWs Im told. Power wise, there is a huge difference if your wanting interstellar travel. My 5er was mapped and could effortlessly hit the speedo limiter (where legally permitted)- The D3 is usefully quick, think MK5 GTI plus a few %. Manual air con, no big deal, it works perfectly and I read somewhere that it was a cost/weight saving.

Edited by dubbers on Tuesday 12th January 21:54
Thanks dubbers,mind you I reckon a D3 bi- turbo is as fast as you can really use on our roads .I mean my 120d auto is plenty TBH.

dubbers

16 posts

235 months

Wednesday 13th January 2010
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No prob - good luck searching for you next car.

Ashok

622 posts

289 months

Wednesday 13th January 2010
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I love my D3. Soooo much nicer than my E60 M5. Nuff said smile

hendy

483 posts

269 months

Monday 14th February 2011
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bmwcsl said:
Is the bi turbo a lot better?
I too am interested in this. Looking at the classifieds, it seems that early non Bi Turbos are advertised for 16K - 20K and that biTurbos start around 25K.

If anyone has experience of driving both, I would be interested to hear.

Thanks in Advance.

Magnus Barelegs

106 posts

191 months

Monday 14th February 2011
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I had a mono-turbo D3 for 2.5 years.
There's an ad for it on this very site.

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2432189.htm

I have to correct what someone said earlier.
The brakes are not changed, they are standard 320D brakes.
Alpina felt no need to change them, as the car's weight was not increased.
I had no trouble with the car, I took great joy and pride in owning it.
My only issue was with the wheels, which are easily damaged on our very poor roads.






Edited by Magnus Barelegs on Monday 14th February 13:21

hendy

483 posts

269 months

Monday 14th February 2011
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I have recently driven the bi-turbo and didn't notice any turbo lag. Was this evident in the mono turbo model?

Magnus Barelegs said:
I had a mono-turbo D3 for 2.5 years.
There's an ad for it on this very site.

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2432189.htm

Magnus Barelegs

106 posts

191 months

Monday 14th February 2011
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Yes, you do get turbo lag in the mono-turbo D3.
But it's not that bad.
I wouldn't call it a deal breaker at all.
Driving a bi-turbo first is always going to work against the mono-turbo though.
No denying the bi-turbo is better, but that doesn't make the mono-turbo bad.

m1k1

16 posts

200 months

Monday 14th February 2011
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hendy said:
I too am interested in this. Looking at the classifieds, it seems that early non Bi Turbos are advertised for 16K - 20K and that biTurbos start around 25K.

If anyone has experience of driving both, I would be interested to hear.

Thanks in Advance.
I had a test drive in both before settling for an earlier D3 (mono turbo), didn’t think that it was worth the price difference. Saying that, D3BT was new so it had stiffer stick which I didn’t like and BMW sport steering wheel, which I’m also not a big fan of. Lack of automatic air con was another thing that put me off. I don’t care too much about the gadgets although if you are spending a lot of time in the car, BT has a cruise control and Bluetooth as well as better fuel consumption so it may make more sense.

Ride and handling is great on both, BT will have a smoother power delivery, more petrol like but MT has a nice pull when turbo kicks in.

On the cons side, for me, insurance is about 50% more than 330i/d, less companies offering and it’s not easy to find GAP insurance. There should be no problem finding 3rd party warranty but you will have to phone them. I didn’t have any problems with wheels (dynamics), hope it stays that way. Tyres are also not the cheapest around, 235/35/19 for the fronts and 265/30(MT)/35(BT)/19 for the rears. If you live in the north of the country, you may have to consider different wheels for the winter. It will also help with potholes.

Magnus Barelegs

106 posts

191 months

Monday 14th February 2011
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I didn't find tyres that expensive.
I went for Falken FK452s, which were £136 each on the back.
Manual aircon was what put me off the bi-turbo, to be honest.
It's a step down too far, for me.
My wife's Fiesta has automatic climate control, I couldn't have a car with less spec than hers!

Zod

35,295 posts

288 months

Monday 14th February 2011
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Ashok said:
I love my D3. Soooo much nicer than my E60 M5. Nuff said smile
It's slow and dull, unlike the M5.

Magnus Barelegs

106 posts

191 months

Monday 14th February 2011
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Zod said:
It's slow and dull
It's neither.
The performance may look dull on paper, but it's more than enough for most and more than enough for the most crowded roads in Europe (official).
And Alpinas look better than normal BMWs, by a country mile.


Zod

35,295 posts

288 months

Monday 14th February 2011
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Magnus Barelegs said:
It's neither.
The performance may look dull on paper, but it's more than enough for most and more than enough for the most crowded roads in Europe (official).
And Alpinas look better than normal BMWs, by a country mile.
Compared with an M5, it is slow and it is dull.

In all respects.

That Alpina stooped to producing a diesel, and not even a quick one, is a travesty.