Nissan Skyline R33 GTST
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Yeah they make a potentially good daily drive.
Pretty ordinary by the standards of today when totally stock though.
Going from stock suspension to HKS coilovers and whiteline sway bars made a night and day difference to mine.
Just 'zaust and intake gives a healthy power increase. It's no going to win traffic light showdowns though.
If you get an fairly unmolested one (never been boosted) it should be fairly reliable. The RB25 is a solid engine and the 5 speed box is bullet proof. Having said that these cars are 12-16 years old now so they are getting on a bit.
I would definitely advise going for a series 2.
The 33 is roomier than the 32 so I prefer it.
Be warned the 33 has no traction control. I've got a bigger turbo in mine and I have to be very gentle with it in the wet.
Overall the 33 GTST is a solid all round car. When stock it is underpowered compared to the 'sports coupes' of today but you can boost up the stock internals to twice the factory power no problems if you want to put the coin in.
Pretty ordinary by the standards of today when totally stock though.
Going from stock suspension to HKS coilovers and whiteline sway bars made a night and day difference to mine.
Just 'zaust and intake gives a healthy power increase. It's no going to win traffic light showdowns though.
If you get an fairly unmolested one (never been boosted) it should be fairly reliable. The RB25 is a solid engine and the 5 speed box is bullet proof. Having said that these cars are 12-16 years old now so they are getting on a bit.
I would definitely advise going for a series 2.
The 33 is roomier than the 32 so I prefer it.
Be warned the 33 has no traction control. I've got a bigger turbo in mine and I have to be very gentle with it in the wet.
Overall the 33 GTST is a solid all round car. When stock it is underpowered compared to the 'sports coupes' of today but you can boost up the stock internals to twice the factory power no problems if you want to put the coin in.
Edited by SmoothRB on Sunday 10th January 23:05
Have had one as a daily driver for a year and a half.
Haven't even stopped driving it in the recent snow and making it in to work last week when only 15 out of 150 people made it in. People keep mentioning that it must be hard drive in the snow but it only makes it more fun!
Mine's had a couple of little niggles but have been easy to sort out and has never let me down. Fantastic car imo.
Haven't even stopped driving it in the recent snow and making it in to work last week when only 15 out of 150 people made it in. People keep mentioning that it must be hard drive in the snow but it only makes it more fun!
Mine's had a couple of little niggles but have been easy to sort out and has never let me down. Fantastic car imo.
I use mine as a daily drive and get about 10km/litre (I'm in Australia - not sure what the converts to in MPG).
Mine is standard though.
It's a comfortable car to drive and has enough power to kick the back end out when you want to.
If you feel you need more power, it's more a case of where to stop rather than where to start.
Due to the huge second hand prices of cars here in WA, GTS-Ts offer good value in terms of bang for your buck. Not sure what the prices are like in the UK right now.
Hope that helps.
Mine is standard though.
It's a comfortable car to drive and has enough power to kick the back end out when you want to.
If you feel you need more power, it's more a case of where to stop rather than where to start.
Due to the huge second hand prices of cars here in WA, GTS-Ts offer good value in terms of bang for your buck. Not sure what the prices are like in the UK right now.
Hope that helps.
gtr insurance is way way more than a gts-t.
for me, (28yrs with 3year ncb) gtr would have been £1200, whilst gts-t only £750.
gts-t is probably the better car to get imo. they are much much cheaper, and much more fun to drive. a gtr is an amazing car, but if you want a 4wd then get an evo/impreza. gtr's are quite overpriced for what you get.
my gts-t is tuned up slightly, running around 300bhp. a stock one will probably be around the 250bhp mark, though they are very hard to find totally standard.
in terms of straight line acceleration the gts-t is a very very fast car for its price. there aren't many other cars out there as quick.
As a daily driver they are quite thirsty, and though you should be able to get 20mpg driven carefully around town, that is only when they are warmed up which will take a while.
The real fun with them comes in slding them around corners, however do be very careful as I have known at least 3 people crash them within the first month of owning.
for me, (28yrs with 3year ncb) gtr would have been £1200, whilst gts-t only £750.
gts-t is probably the better car to get imo. they are much much cheaper, and much more fun to drive. a gtr is an amazing car, but if you want a 4wd then get an evo/impreza. gtr's are quite overpriced for what you get.
my gts-t is tuned up slightly, running around 300bhp. a stock one will probably be around the 250bhp mark, though they are very hard to find totally standard.
in terms of straight line acceleration the gts-t is a very very fast car for its price. there aren't many other cars out there as quick.
As a daily driver they are quite thirsty, and though you should be able to get 20mpg driven carefully around town, that is only when they are warmed up which will take a while.
The real fun with them comes in slding them around corners, however do be very careful as I have known at least 3 people crash them within the first month of owning.
SmoothRB said:
Pretty ordinary by the standards of today when totally stock though.
Ordinary? exactly what cars are you thinking of that are as fast without being very expensive?My gts-t gets low 5's in a 0-60, and stock aren't too much slower, and though it may be matched by an impreza or evo until 60mph, after this I fly away from them (ofc on a track). The only other car I can think of would be a nice old porsche, though maintenance costs and impracticality would generally rule them out.
fb902350 said:
SmoothRB said:
Pretty ordinary by the standards of today when totally stock though.
Ordinary? exactly what cars are you thinking of that are as fast without being very expensive?My gts-t gets low 5's in a 0-60, and stock aren't too much slower, and though it may be matched by an impreza or evo until 60mph, after this I fly away from them (ofc on a track). The only other car I can think of would be a nice old porsche, though maintenance costs and impracticality would generally rule them out.
The E60 M5 has what ~270 KW at the wheels (quoted on Wiki as 373 KW @ the crank) but admittedly that is a ~1800 Kg car.
Still it is a lot more power. 150 RWKWs per tonne, vs 94 RWKWs per tonne.
You need basic bolt-ons (plus tune) to get the GTST to 200 RWKWs, so that is 133 RWKWs per tonne, still less on paper. Maybe competitive from the lights vs an M5 I dunno? The Skylines had quite short final drive ratios.
Bigger turbo and cams and push 280, 290, 300 RWKW's on the GTST and yes it will smoke 95% of street cars. 0-60 of I dunno really but good for a 11 sec 1/4 mile.
Edited by SmoothRB on Tuesday 16th February 00:56
The GTST is a good reliable car all round decent package BUT
You do have to spend a lot of cash on a GTST to make them a decent performance car at least as much as buying one in the first place , extra power doesnt come cheap the GTR is cheaper to tune and better out of the box the GTST is a heavy grand tourer standard nothing about them is sporty.
If you want a tuned one buy a tuned one as well you can get a nice 400hp one for around £6.5k it would take that much to get a stock one up to those power levels if you add the suspension and brakes which are essential
I loved my GTST , it would run 12's give 25mpg on a run and has won quite a few shows but swallowed over £20k along the way
You do have to spend a lot of cash on a GTST to make them a decent performance car at least as much as buying one in the first place , extra power doesnt come cheap the GTR is cheaper to tune and better out of the box the GTST is a heavy grand tourer standard nothing about them is sporty.
If you want a tuned one buy a tuned one as well you can get a nice 400hp one for around £6.5k it would take that much to get a stock one up to those power levels if you add the suspension and brakes which are essential
I loved my GTST , it would run 12's give 25mpg on a run and has won quite a few shows but swallowed over £20k along the way
I had a bog-standard auto series 1 GTS-T for commuting in. I did like it. And it seemed to get the right kind of attention. I didn't even keep it clean and people would make me offers for it... I think the Skyline thing gets them carried away. Mine had the blue glowing badge as standard. 
In retrospect, it's one of the cars I wish I didn't sell.
In retrospect, it's one of the cars I wish I didn't sell.
I had a r33 with a few truck bits used it every day lots of grunt when it came to selling it i took a scoobie in px (big mistake) lol they are a lot of car for your ££££££££££
This car had the full gtr seats,The last time i saw my old car was on the way to brighton speed trials last year god i miss it ............ GTR Next??
This car had the full gtr seats,The last time i saw my old car was on the way to brighton speed trials last year god i miss it ............ GTR Next??
liner33 said:
The GTST is a good reliable car all round decent package BUT
You do have to spend a lot of cash on a GTST to make them a decent performance car at least as much as buying one in the first place , extra power doesnt come cheap the GTR is cheaper to tune and better out of the box the GTST is a heavy grand tourer standard nothing about them is sporty.
If you want a tuned one buy a tuned one as well you can get a nice 400hp one for around £6.5k it would take that much to get a stock one up to those power levels if you add the suspension and brakes which are essential
I loved my GTST , it would run 12's give 25mpg on a run and has won quite a few shows but swallowed over £20k along the way
1400 Kg is not heavy by the standards of today, but I know what you mean...it's no RX-7...and the stock suspension is on the comfort side....lots of body roll.You do have to spend a lot of cash on a GTST to make them a decent performance car at least as much as buying one in the first place , extra power doesnt come cheap the GTR is cheaper to tune and better out of the box the GTST is a heavy grand tourer standard nothing about them is sporty.
If you want a tuned one buy a tuned one as well you can get a nice 400hp one for around £6.5k it would take that much to get a stock one up to those power levels if you add the suspension and brakes which are essential
I loved my GTST , it would run 12's give 25mpg on a run and has won quite a few shows but swallowed over £20k along the way
The think is about buying one fully tuned to the limits of the stock internals is that you may just get bored with it quicker though. OTOH upgrading a stock (ish) one is a journey as you go along.
Also I would warn anyone - not used to fast cars - about jumping straight in a car with 400 HP at the rears and no traction control.
SmoothRB said:
Also I would warn anyone - not used to fast cars - about jumping straight in a car with 400 HP at the rears and no traction control.
I have story to go with this warning.Two weeks ago a friend of mine sold his track day drift R33 GTST. Five days later the guy lost it trying to chase a Impreza in the wet and stacked it into the central reservation at about 90 mph. He was ok and is paying out of his own pocket for repairs and even more power....
There is a lot of technowizzardy in the car but no traction (apart from R34s) or stability control so unless you know how to control a skid it will bite if you act like a chump.
Its a myth there is technowizardry on a GTST , mine didnt even have ABS , the only thing you could class as that is hicas but that is not substitute for talent and will not save you if you are an experienced driver hicas will get in the way and can be more of a hinderance than help
If you are inexperienced then a Scooby or Evo are much better bets as even an idiot cant hustle one of those
If you are inexperienced then a Scooby or Evo are much better bets as even an idiot cant hustle one of those
liner33 said:
Its a myth there is technowizardry on a GTST , mine didnt even have ABS , the only thing you could class as that is hicas but that is not substitute for talent and will not save you if you are an experienced driver hicas will get in the way and can be more of a hinderance than help
If you are inexperienced then a Scooby or Evo are much better bets as even an idiot cant hustle one of those
The HICAS makes it harder to do power oversteer.If you are inexperienced then a Scooby or Evo are much better bets as even an idiot cant hustle one of those
Most GTST's have ABS, some have an ALSD also.
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