Grudadion on the ABD
Discussion
Ohh no Ted
Its named affiliate organisations include a controversial forum where death threats appeared against a leading road safety campaigner.
more here
www.guardian.co.uk/transport/Story/0,2763,1137548,00.html
Its named affiliate organisations include a controversial forum where death threats appeared against a leading road safety campaigner.
more here
www.guardian.co.uk/transport/Story/0,2763,1137548,00.html
Ted, isn't there something that can be done about the constant misrepresentation of PH over this issue? I could understand articles in the days after jumping on the bandwagon and using the same (wrong) info, but this is getting silly!
Then again, when have the mainstream press ever let the facts get in the way of a good story....
Then again, when have the mainstream press ever let the facts get in the way of a good story....
Good lord!
I actually buy the Guardian..forget why now. Although the saturday guide is rather good and has an excellent column by Charlie Brooker...er l digress
My thoughts, (keep that penny if l were you!)
This appears to be a politically motivated effort to undermine the anti-speed camera "lobby". Its a petty smear to all anti-camera parties without continuity or relevance and uses subjective wording.
Overall it appears to be a no-news piece of propaganda.
Wouldn't mind knowing Mr Smith's (SafeSpeed) response to this random attack:
"Another affiliate organisation whose subscribers are counted in the ABD's membership is SafeSpeed, a body set up by a Scottish engineer, Paul Smith, who is regarded as such a nuisance by law enforcement authorities that one police chief sent out a memo advising staff not to reply to his constant bombardment of letters.
Mr Smith has attracted adverse comment by using a black SS logo on a red background to promote SafeSpeed. He told the Times recently that death threats against Mrs Williams constituted "a mild reaction" to her "dangerous" ideas."
I actually buy the Guardian..forget why now. Although the saturday guide is rather good and has an excellent column by Charlie Brooker...er l digress
My thoughts, (keep that penny if l were you!)
This appears to be a politically motivated effort to undermine the anti-speed camera "lobby". Its a petty smear to all anti-camera parties without continuity or relevance and uses subjective wording.
Overall it appears to be a no-news piece of propaganda.
Wouldn't mind knowing Mr Smith's (SafeSpeed) response to this random attack:
"Another affiliate organisation whose subscribers are counted in the ABD's membership is SafeSpeed, a body set up by a Scottish engineer, Paul Smith, who is regarded as such a nuisance by law enforcement authorities that one police chief sent out a memo advising staff not to reply to his constant bombardment of letters.
Mr Smith has attracted adverse comment by using a black SS logo on a red background to promote SafeSpeed. He told the Times recently that death threats against Mrs Williams constituted "a mild reaction" to her "dangerous" ideas."
Worth bearing in mind that the Guardian is different from other Newspapers in that it is a Charity tasked with publishing the truth and it is in breach of the Charity Comission rules where it prints incorrect information which it could easily have verified.
This is why the Guardian is a big campaigning newspaper and why it tends to go out on a limb on some issues as it has a remit to expose.
Shoddy bit of journalisim nonetheless.
This is why the Guardian is a big campaigning newspaper and why it tends to go out on a limb on some issues as it has a remit to expose.
Shoddy bit of journalisim nonetheless.
Ok, with considerable thanks to Mon Ami Mate for his PR skills in this matter we have a small victory.
Prior to writing the article Andrew Clark had not even visited PistonHeads and was just working from previous published material.
After registering our dismay with him he spent time on the site, spoke to BRAKE and interviewed the Chief Inspector of West Yorkshire Police who dealt with the case and Andrew now concurs that no serious death threat was made. He has agreed that he will not write anything similar about PistonHeads again.
However, he is of the opinion that the comments could have been interpreted as a death threat and that's why he's not prepared to get a retraction printed. That's to be expected really as getting a full retraction would require immense pressure from this end.
It's a small victory to get a journo writing that sort of article to admit it was flawed.
We will inform other newspapers of our views and experiences on the matter to prevent this nonsense being perpetuated ad infinitum.
Prior to writing the article Andrew Clark had not even visited PistonHeads and was just working from previous published material.
After registering our dismay with him he spent time on the site, spoke to BRAKE and interviewed the Chief Inspector of West Yorkshire Police who dealt with the case and Andrew now concurs that no serious death threat was made. He has agreed that he will not write anything similar about PistonHeads again.
However, he is of the opinion that the comments could have been interpreted as a death threat and that's why he's not prepared to get a retraction printed. That's to be expected really as getting a full retraction would require immense pressure from this end.
It's a small victory to get a journo writing that sort of article to admit it was flawed.
We will inform other newspapers of our views and experiences on the matter to prevent this nonsense being perpetuated ad infinitum.
PetrolTed said:
However, he is of the opinion that the comments could have been interpreted as a death threat and that's why he's not prepared to get a retraction printed. That's to be expected really as getting a full retraction would require immense pressure from this end.
Or, more to the point, a massive public admission that he got it wrong in the first place.
not going to happen unless he is forced to....
funkihamsta said:
Mr Smith (according to the Guardian) has attracted adverse comment by using a black SS logo on a red background to promote SafeSpeed. He told the Times recently that death threats against Mrs Williams constituted "a mild reaction" to her "dangerous" ideas."
How infantile. Just because SafeSpeed is made up of two words each commencing with "S", there is "adverse comment" when the (logically arrrived at) logo of "SS" is used.
I'm thinking of starting up a group, I think I'll call it New Anti Zealot Initiative.
Alex said:
Alex said:
I hate the Guardian and everything it stands for.
Proud Daily Mail Reader.
I knew there must be one somewhere. Why?
I'll answer if anyone can tell me why they read the Guardian.
I read the Guardian because it contains a whole range of differing views the vast majority of which are well written and I disagree with.
It is also the only republican newspaper.Gassing Station | Motoring News | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff