Breath test after no fault accident
Discussion
Niece got sideswiped by a lunatic last night whilst stationary in a traffic queue. Nobody got the number but she had a decent description of the car. Police finally arrived and after much "we'll there's not a lot we can do, probably stolen, probably got no insurance, tax etc." then proceeded to give HER a breath test and then to top it all gave HER a producer!!!
WTF is going on?
Discuss.
WTF is going on?
Discuss.
will crash said:Will - is that:
Force policy...simple as that.
1) Force government policy upon the innocent motorist?
2) A policy of using force?
3) A policy forced upon you (the BiB)?
Whatever, where "policy" is to persecute the reporter of an incident it is little wonder that the police and its front line are increasingly discredited in the eyes of Joe Public.
It's not your fault I know, you're just obeying orders
. Streaky
It`s a policy forced upon us by Senior Management, however lets say that experience and discretion play a huge part in whether or not a breath test is administered.(or if you can even smell alcohol)
As for a producer we can check to see if you have insurance/driving licence via PNC so if an accident report book is not completed I cannot see any need whatsoever to issue a producer. In fact only issuing producers is frowned upon in my force as we haven`t got the staff to deal with the paperwork.
Hope that answers your question...back soon, off for a 6.7 mile run now..!!
As for a producer we can check to see if you have insurance/driving licence via PNC so if an accident report book is not completed I cannot see any need whatsoever to issue a producer. In fact only issuing producers is frowned upon in my force as we haven`t got the staff to deal with the paperwork.
Hope that answers your question...back soon, off for a 6.7 mile run now..!!
As has been said, standard procedure. As a Custody Sergeant I've booked in many drink drivers, caught because they were the blamesless party in an RTA!
Ditto - many uninsured drivers caught the same way. Just the wayt it is. If you're not breaking the law, you've nothing to worry about.
Ditto - many uninsured drivers caught the same way. Just the wayt it is. If you're not breaking the law, you've nothing to worry about.
My sister (a vet) was not impressed by this routine procedure. She had stopped in a lay-by. A chap pulled in behind her, the set off scraping her car as he did so. He did a runner. She called the cops.
The officer, detecting a "strange smell" (She had been delivering a calf just prior to this, and hence had a rather memorable "perfume!"), breathalysed her!
She is teetotal and thus nowt to fear, but she found the whole experience rather intimidating! Especially when she was the innocent law-abiding party!
The officer, detecting a "strange smell" (She had been delivering a calf just prior to this, and hence had a rather memorable "perfume!"), breathalysed her!
She is teetotal and thus nowt to fear, but she found the whole experience rather intimidating! Especially when she was the innocent law-abiding party!
After I had an accident I was given a producer. I probably wouldnt of minded so much if the police hadnt climbed into the back of the ambulance to take my details whilt I was in the middle of being sorted out.
I thought that was a little insensitive, but oh well. Infact even after that I got wound up because one of the police officers kept having a go at me to admit I was speeding. I got really wound up, because I actually wasnt but he wouldnt leave it alone. I think I was quite rude in the end but I had to say something.
Lee
I thought that was a little insensitive, but oh well. Infact even after that I got wound up because one of the police officers kept having a go at me to admit I was speeding. I got really wound up, because I actually wasnt but he wouldnt leave it alone. I think I was quite rude in the end but I had to say something.
Lee
xxplod said:
As has been said, standard procedure. As a Custody Sergeant I've booked in many drink drivers, caught because they were the blamesless party in an RTA!
Ditto - many uninsured drivers caught the same way. Just the wayt it is. If you're not breaking the law, you've nothing to worry about.
I guess it's pro-active policing and I can't really disagree with it in principle.
BUT, in practice....
I was hit last year (9am Monday morning) whilst stationary and was breathalysed and asked to produce. It might have been okay if the police asked politely and suggested the reason they did it was because it was standard police practice and policy. But no, they were arrogant, rude and suggested that I was somehow "guilty". They even breathalysed the guy who hit me after he told them he was a practising Muslim. What a waste of a breath test.
Of course I was guilty - guilty of being on a random road at the wrong time.
>> Edited by oyster on Tuesday 3rd February 19:42
xxplod said:
As has been said, standard procedure. As a Custody Sergeant I've booked in many drink drivers, caught because they were the blamesless party in an RTA!
Ditto - many uninsured drivers caught the same way. Just the wayt it is. If you're not breaking the law, you've nothing to worry about.
Maybe we have nothing to fear - but its a supreme waste of my good time traipsing off the the cop shop to do a producer. Especially if you go so often the desk staff know you by name
and there is no prosecution EVER cos it was always a trawl. You know the thing on the end of your necks????
IT'S CALLED YOUR HEAD.
You know the thing at the base of your spine????
IT'S CALLED YOUR ARSE.
Please try and seperate them from each other.
Have a look at your insurance documents, what do they say? Do they say "never admit liability"? Of course they do. Welcome to the United States of England.
So when a copper turns up to an incident on the road, why should he believe the driver who has been brainwashed with the "no-win, no-fee" culture, and the insistance of the insureres not to admit blame???
So what happens when someone has an accident, but the police officer attending decides the guy is genuine and sound (you know, an all round nice fella). What if he'd had a couple of pints earlier in the day????
What if he were over the limit????
I AGREE WITH THE PISTONHEAD OPINION ON SENSIBLE SPEEDLIMITS. I DON'T AGREE WITH DRINK DRIVING, AND YOU ARE PORTRAYING AN IMAGE OF "DD" SUPPORTERS AT THE MOMENT.
For what it takes in time for a copper to issue a producer, I feel a damn sight better because of it.
Maybe the police should ignore this tactic????? Please show me a bloody good reason for them to do so.
Steve
IT'S CALLED YOUR HEAD.
You know the thing at the base of your spine????
IT'S CALLED YOUR ARSE.
Please try and seperate them from each other.
Have a look at your insurance documents, what do they say? Do they say "never admit liability"? Of course they do. Welcome to the United States of England.
So when a copper turns up to an incident on the road, why should he believe the driver who has been brainwashed with the "no-win, no-fee" culture, and the insistance of the insureres not to admit blame???
So what happens when someone has an accident, but the police officer attending decides the guy is genuine and sound (you know, an all round nice fella). What if he'd had a couple of pints earlier in the day????
What if he were over the limit????
I AGREE WITH THE PISTONHEAD OPINION ON SENSIBLE SPEEDLIMITS. I DON'T AGREE WITH DRINK DRIVING, AND YOU ARE PORTRAYING AN IMAGE OF "DD" SUPPORTERS AT THE MOMENT.
For what it takes in time for a copper to issue a producer, I feel a damn sight better because of it.
Maybe the police should ignore this tactic????? Please show me a bloody good reason for them to do so.
Steve
[quote=Homer lawtey]You know the thing on the end of your necks????
IT'S CALLED YOUR HEAD.
You know the thing at the base of your spine????
IT'S CALLED YOUR ARSE.
Please try and seperate them from each other.
Have a look at your insurance documents, what do they say? Do they say "never admit liability"? Of course they do. Welcome to the United States of England.
So when a copper turns up to an incident on the road, why should he believe the driver who has been brainwashed with the "no-win, no-fee" culture, and the insistance of the insureres not to admit blame???
So what happens when someone has an accident, but the police officer attending decides the guy is genuine and sound (you know, an all round nice fella). What if he'd had a couple of pints earlier in the day????
What if he were over the limit????
I AGREE WITH THE PISTONHEAD OPINION ON SENSIBLE SPEEDLIMITS. I DON'T AGREE WITH DRINK DRIVING, AND YOU ARE PORTRAYING AN IMAGE OF "DD" SUPPORTERS AT THE MOMENT.
For what it takes in time for a copper to issue a producer, I feel a damn sight better because of it.
Maybe the police should ignore this tactic????? Please show me a bloody good reason for them to do so.
Steve[/quote
I DON'T AGREE WITH DRINK DRIVING, AND YOU ARE PORTRAYING AN IMAGE OF "DD" SUPPORTERS AT THE MOMENT.
IT'S CALLED YOUR HEAD.
You know the thing at the base of your spine????
IT'S CALLED YOUR ARSE.
Please try and seperate them from each other.
Have a look at your insurance documents, what do they say? Do they say "never admit liability"? Of course they do. Welcome to the United States of England.
So when a copper turns up to an incident on the road, why should he believe the driver who has been brainwashed with the "no-win, no-fee" culture, and the insistance of the insureres not to admit blame???
So what happens when someone has an accident, but the police officer attending decides the guy is genuine and sound (you know, an all round nice fella). What if he'd had a couple of pints earlier in the day????
What if he were over the limit????
I AGREE WITH THE PISTONHEAD OPINION ON SENSIBLE SPEEDLIMITS. I DON'T AGREE WITH DRINK DRIVING, AND YOU ARE PORTRAYING AN IMAGE OF "DD" SUPPORTERS AT THE MOMENT.
For what it takes in time for a copper to issue a producer, I feel a damn sight better because of it.
Maybe the police should ignore this tactic????? Please show me a bloody good reason for them to do so.
Steve[/quote
I DON'T AGREE WITH DRINK DRIVING, AND YOU ARE PORTRAYING AN IMAGE OF "DD" SUPPORTERS AT THE MOMENT.
No one in their right mind agrees with drink-driving is OK!!. Never touch a drop myself anyway! Do not like the taste!
However, the point I was trying to make when my sister was breathalysed as a "routine" was that courtesy would have gone a long way to take the tension out of the situation! She was more than conscious that she reeked of cow pat and the rest at the time! She did explain that "this should not happen to a vet!" at the time too!
This is the point that the other two guys were making as well. Routine tests - fine! Provided you treat the person with respect and courtesy!
However, the point I was trying to make when my sister was breathalysed as a "routine" was that courtesy would have gone a long way to take the tension out of the situation! She was more than conscious that she reeked of cow pat and the rest at the time! She did explain that "this should not happen to a vet!" at the time too!
This is the point that the other two guys were making as well. Routine tests - fine! Provided you treat the person with respect and courtesy!
Sorry but "Pulsatingstar" and "oyster" are the only ones to post about the attitude of the officers. All the other post complaining about producers and breath tests give the opinion -
"I shouldn't have to show anyone my documents, or give a breath test. It's my right to do as I please and the police shouldn't be able to question me on it."
I would feel happier with an "insurance disc" type scheme, drivers having to carry their license (credit card part), and possibly an MOT disk type scheme aswell.
Throw into that more random breath tests and we should start getting the DD, uninsured and un-MOTed drivers off the roads.
Steve
"I shouldn't have to show anyone my documents, or give a breath test. It's my right to do as I please and the police shouldn't be able to question me on it."
I would feel happier with an "insurance disc" type scheme, drivers having to carry their license (credit card part), and possibly an MOT disk type scheme aswell.
Throw into that more random breath tests and we should start getting the DD, uninsured and un-MOTed drivers off the roads.
Steve
I own a fleet of vehicles and get sick to death of the nuisence factor provided by the police these days but every time we need some help to trace a criminal, they never want to know. It's the same concept as with scammeras - maximising the return on matters that suit them. And to think I once applied to be a policeman!
raymondwalker_uk said:
I own a fleet of vehicles and get sick to death of the nuisence factor provided by the police these days but every time we need some help to trace a criminal, they never want to know. It's the same concept as with scammeras - maximising the return on matters that suit them. And to think I once applied to be a policeman!
Admittedly a sense of balance would be a fine thing; but if you think those random tests annoy you, just imagine how the scrotes feel...
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