ISP throttling P2P ways around it!
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I have one of these £5.99 accounts from plus.net, its cheap and works well apart from one thing. P2P is horribly throttled and downloading a file takes weeks.
I found that changing the port to 80 rather sped up my download speeds for P2P by a factor of hundreds, but it seems that plus.net have caught up with me and throttled port 80 now. I tried FTP port 21 and that was slow too, are there any other workarounds. I get 10gb per month 8am-12pm and unlimited downloads 12-8am so fast downloads overnight is a priority, 0.1kbps is bloody useless!
I have checked out the competition and it would seem that https://vivaciti.net/ is the best bet for an alternative although I would have to fork out another £14 a month and I get 30gb 8am-12am and unlimited 12am-8am and they promise not to throttle. Unless anyone can suggest an alternative, Talktalk is the only LLU provider at my exchange and I cannot swap to them at the moment as I have a phone contract with BT (new line installation was free) for another 16 months.
I found that changing the port to 80 rather sped up my download speeds for P2P by a factor of hundreds, but it seems that plus.net have caught up with me and throttled port 80 now. I tried FTP port 21 and that was slow too, are there any other workarounds. I get 10gb per month 8am-12pm and unlimited downloads 12-8am so fast downloads overnight is a priority, 0.1kbps is bloody useless!
I have checked out the competition and it would seem that https://vivaciti.net/ is the best bet for an alternative although I would have to fork out another £14 a month and I get 30gb 8am-12am and unlimited 12am-8am and they promise not to throttle. Unless anyone can suggest an alternative, Talktalk is the only LLU provider at my exchange and I cannot swap to them at the moment as I have a phone contract with BT (new line installation was free) for another 16 months.
lost in espace said:
I have one of these £5.99 accounts from plus.net, its cheap and works well apart from one thing. P2P is horribly throttled and downloading a file takes weeks.
I found that changing the port to 80 rather sped up my download speeds for P2P by a factor of hundreds, but it seems that plus.net have caught up with me and throttled port 80 now. I tried FTP port 21 and that was slow too, are there any other workarounds. I get 10gb per month 8am-12pm and unlimited downloads 12-8am so fast downloads overnight is a priority, 0.1kbps is bloody useless!
I have checked out the competition and it would seem that https://vivaciti.net/ is the best bet for an alternative although I would have to fork out another £14 a month and I get 30gb 8am-12am and unlimited 12am-8am and they promise not to throttle. Unless anyone can suggest an alternative, Talktalk is the only LLU provider at my exchange and I cannot swap to them at the moment as I have a phone contract with BT (new line installation was free) for another 16 months.
a) what do you expect for 5.99. Upgrade to a better plus.net account (they are quite a good ISP)I found that changing the port to 80 rather sped up my download speeds for P2P by a factor of hundreds, but it seems that plus.net have caught up with me and throttled port 80 now. I tried FTP port 21 and that was slow too, are there any other workarounds. I get 10gb per month 8am-12pm and unlimited downloads 12-8am so fast downloads overnight is a priority, 0.1kbps is bloody useless!
I have checked out the competition and it would seem that https://vivaciti.net/ is the best bet for an alternative although I would have to fork out another £14 a month and I get 30gb 8am-12am and unlimited 12am-8am and they promise not to throttle. Unless anyone can suggest an alternative, Talktalk is the only LLU provider at my exchange and I cannot swap to them at the moment as I have a phone contract with BT (new line installation was free) for another 16 months.
b) ISPs that promise not to throttle rarely survive, and you may find slow downloads anyway because you a fighting for their core bandwidth like everyone else > download speeds go down because of bandwidth constraints, not throttling, so back at square one. Users complain about the experience, ISP brings in throttling.
P2P quality of service is in no ISPs interest. QoS for VoIP and Iplayer is....
Several things:
1) Try a random higher port number. Normally your torrent client will give a you a range you can choose from ie. something like 62594.
2) Try turning on encryption
3) As said above go with a better ISP. I used to use Plusnet years ago (because it was one of of the best uncapped ISPs at the time) and about 4 years ago they were bought out and changed to being a standard heavily restricted service.
4) A standard BT line is a standard requirement for most ADSL broadband so shouldnt restrict which ISP you can choose.
5) Whats wrong with just going with the very popular O2 ISP.
6) Personally, if you are in a Virgin cabled area get one of the cheap packages they are always doing for TV, Phone and BB. Dont believe all the hype about their "throttling", I havent seen evidence of it yet and I use my connection to the full.
1) Try a random higher port number. Normally your torrent client will give a you a range you can choose from ie. something like 62594.
2) Try turning on encryption
3) As said above go with a better ISP. I used to use Plusnet years ago (because it was one of of the best uncapped ISPs at the time) and about 4 years ago they were bought out and changed to being a standard heavily restricted service.
4) A standard BT line is a standard requirement for most ADSL broadband so shouldnt restrict which ISP you can choose.
5) Whats wrong with just going with the very popular O2 ISP.
6) Personally, if you are in a Virgin cabled area get one of the cheap packages they are always doing for TV, Phone and BB. Dont believe all the hype about their "throttling", I havent seen evidence of it yet and I use my connection to the full.
The_Jackal said:
Several things:
1) Try a random higher port number. Normally your torrent client will give a you a range you can choose from ie. something like 62594.
2) Try turning on encryption
3) As said above go with a better ISP. I used to use Plusnet years ago (because it was one of of the best uncapped ISPs at the time) and about 4 years ago they were bought out and changed to being a standard heavily restricted service.
4) A standard BT line is a standard requirement for most ADSL broadband so shouldnt restrict which ISP you can choose.
5) Whats wrong with just going with the very popular O2 ISP.
6) Personally, if you are in a Virgin cabled area get one of the cheap packages they are always doing for TV, Phone and BB. Dont believe all the hype about their "throttling", I havent seen evidence of it yet and I use my connection to the full.
Agree with, except (3) - Plusnet are uncapped and only throttled between midnight and 4pm on the better packages - but agree you need to pay...1) Try a random higher port number. Normally your torrent client will give a you a range you can choose from ie. something like 62594.
2) Try turning on encryption
3) As said above go with a better ISP. I used to use Plusnet years ago (because it was one of of the best uncapped ISPs at the time) and about 4 years ago they were bought out and changed to being a standard heavily restricted service.
4) A standard BT line is a standard requirement for most ADSL broadband so shouldnt restrict which ISP you can choose.
5) Whats wrong with just going with the very popular O2 ISP.
6) Personally, if you are in a Virgin cabled area get one of the cheap packages they are always doing for TV, Phone and BB. Dont believe all the hype about their "throttling", I havent seen evidence of it yet and I use my connection to the full.
http://www.kitz.co.uk/isp/caps.htm
try that. a comparison chart of the main suppliers about throttling etc etc..
but you only get what you pay for...
try be or O2 LLU if available in your area(they share the same Dslams) and are very good on usage allowance etc etc.
I use Zen personally (no LLu in my area) and they are great!
try that. a comparison chart of the main suppliers about throttling etc etc..
but you only get what you pay for...
try be or O2 LLU if available in your area(they share the same Dslams) and are very good on usage allowance etc etc.
I use Zen personally (no LLu in my area) and they are great!
Edited by richard_tricky on Thursday 14th January 11:25
I would take that comparison chart with a healthy pinch of salt.
The Virgin part is completely wrong.
In two years I have never had a letter informing me of exceeding the cap and I definitely download over 10Gb a month minimum.
And it practically says that the service is unusable in the evenings (all red spots) which is a blatant lie. My 10 Meg is solid anytime of the day.
That chart is based on a few users submitting answers, not an independant testing of each service.
The Virgin part is completely wrong.
In two years I have never had a letter informing me of exceeding the cap and I definitely download over 10Gb a month minimum.
And it practically says that the service is unusable in the evenings (all red spots) which is a blatant lie. My 10 Meg is solid anytime of the day.
That chart is based on a few users submitting answers, not an independant testing of each service.
The_Jackal said:
I would take that comparison chart with a healthy pinch of salt.
The Virgin part is completely wrong.
In two years I have never had a letter informing me of exceeding the cap and I definitely download over 10Gb a month minimum.
And it practically says that the service is unusable in the evenings (all red spots) which is a blatant lie. My 10 Meg is solid anytime of the day.
That chart is based on a few users submitting answers, not an independant testing of each service.
Definately a vote for Virgin. We've got the pauper's 10Mb connection and it's absolutely fine - online gaming is way way better than that BT options (doesn't matter which ISP, our exchange is still steam powered); not issues with P2P as far as I can tell - torrents and ofther p2p peak at about 500K / sec.The Virgin part is completely wrong.
In two years I have never had a letter informing me of exceeding the cap and I definitely download over 10Gb a month minimum.
And it practically says that the service is unusable in the evenings (all red spots) which is a blatant lie. My 10 Meg is solid anytime of the day.
That chart is based on a few users submitting answers, not an independant testing of each service.
The_Jackal said:
go with a better ISP. I used to use Plusnet years ago (because it was one of of the best uncapped ISPs at the time) and about 4 years ago they were bought out and changed to being a standard heavily restricted service.
plg101 said:
a) what do you expect for 5.99. Upgrade to a better plus.net account (they are quite a good ISP)
onlynik said:
1) Stop being a cheapskate and get a better ISP.
What these guys said. You pay peanuts, you get a yoghurt pot on a string.There are a squillion ISPs out there depending on whether you;re piped into cable, whether your local exchange is unbundled etc. Usually around the £25 - £30 a month range with no throttling, usage limits are laid out and clear, they leave you alone.
http://www.samknows.com/broadband/ is a good place to start, use the exchange checker to see what your local phone exchange is capable of
The problem with the internet is people expecting to pay for the cheapest possible service but using most of the bandwidth.
Apologies if this is a bit blunt to the OP, but it'd be much fairer on everyone if you paid for the service you demand. If you want priority access to the internet, and to be able to pipe loads of packets around on loads of connections P2P-style, then pay for a priority connection. Business-grade connections usually give you less throttling (if at all) and the ISPs usually bend the QoS towards the business users (or people paying more) when they start getting clogged up with P2P traffic.
I pay a bit more than £5.99 a month, with Demon Internet (to be fair, I haven't shopped around - I've used Demon for 10 years or so, and they've always been good on their business tariffs in customer service terms so I'm not complaining). I pay £40 a month which is probably a lot more than the average home user wants, but I run a business over the line and I've been connected to my client via Citrix working from home all week due to flu and snow... so it needs to be fast, low ping, and high reliability. It is.
Obviously you won't need to go as far as this much, but perhaps paying £10-£15 a month will get you a higher quality of service.
Otherwise the ISPs end up having to throttle everyone and that hurts people who are paying for good service.
Apologies if this is a bit blunt to the OP, but it'd be much fairer on everyone if you paid for the service you demand. If you want priority access to the internet, and to be able to pipe loads of packets around on loads of connections P2P-style, then pay for a priority connection. Business-grade connections usually give you less throttling (if at all) and the ISPs usually bend the QoS towards the business users (or people paying more) when they start getting clogged up with P2P traffic.
I pay a bit more than £5.99 a month, with Demon Internet (to be fair, I haven't shopped around - I've used Demon for 10 years or so, and they've always been good on their business tariffs in customer service terms so I'm not complaining). I pay £40 a month which is probably a lot more than the average home user wants, but I run a business over the line and I've been connected to my client via Citrix working from home all week due to flu and snow... so it needs to be fast, low ping, and high reliability. It is.
Obviously you won't need to go as far as this much, but perhaps paying £10-£15 a month will get you a higher quality of service.
Otherwise the ISPs end up having to throttle everyone and that hurts people who are paying for good service.
LukeBird said:
fivesixseven8 said:
Good results, but speed tests and P2P transfer rates do not normally correlate.
Indeed, very true! 
I have had good P2P rates when I downloaded a few bits and pieces. To be honest, I rarely bother anymore.
Divide that 11.17 Mb/s by 8 and this is the Megabyte download speed you should hope to achieve.
You would be getting 1.4 megabyte downloads via Newgroups, torrents are dependant on people sharing. PS and a matter of time before you get caught
UncappedTag said:
To answer the OP's question, do you have an O2 mobile on contract? If you do, you can get 8MB uncapped/throttled etc for £7.50 a month. Exceptional service in my experience.
No o2 I am afraid but the only ISP who is unbundled is TalkTalk on my exchange and I can't go with them due to the line being new and in contract with BT.O2 is £22 less any discount and I don't have a mobile with them as they are not unbundled. I thought they were throttled anyhows?
BE is not available in my area.
Plus.net's 80gb package is £20 and still throttled.
I need my P2P for my Mike Brewer fixes, I guess I will have to get my mac code and shift to vivaciti as I can't see a way around this. They do not throttle and its unlimited overnight.
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