E60 m5 ecu flash
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I'd be surprised if it made a noticeable difference, the main reason for remapping is to remove the limiter. For more power the best bang for buck mods are - rpi scoops + block off plates, bmc filter (or K&N etc), evosport power pulley (or rpi). After that you are looking at aftermarket exhausts etc.
Edited by 130R on Saturday 16th January 16:59
I would suggest signing up to M5board and reading all about it. Sounds worthwhile.
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e60-m5-e61-m5-tou...
http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e60-m5-e61-m5-tou...
Hmmm DMS. They have an reasonable reputation and some very happy customers & testimonials, which speaks volumes really, but their HP & torque gain claims are delusional nonsense IMHO. An increase of almost 10% ( 507Hp std to DMS' claimed 555.6Hp) just from a NA map 
. They also claim their map releases an extra 32Hp from an E46 M3 
Regarding ECU gains ~ I think Evolve's claims, about the power increases that can be achieved, do not need pinches of salt.....
http://www.evo-s.co.uk/shop/index.php?cPath=6_2378...
. They also claim their map releases an extra 32Hp from an E46 M3 Regarding ECU gains ~ I think Evolve's claims, about the power increases that can be achieved, do not need pinches of salt.....
http://www.evo-s.co.uk/shop/index.php?cPath=6_2378...
Edited by CRACKIE on Wednesday 20th January 17:57
You might see an extra 10 to 15bhp from a good custom remap done on an E60. Anyone who claims anymore is living in cloud cookoo land. Not that you would ever notice the increase on the road.
I still can't quite get why people believe the spurious claims some of these companies give out, and then are willing to spunk up to a £1000 on getting it done.
Madness.
I still can't quite get why people believe the spurious claims some of these companies give out, and then are willing to spunk up to a £1000 on getting it done.
Madness.
Zod said:
Vixpy, is it true that the engines tend to give very good figures even without being touched?
In my experience they give between 490 and 510 bhp, however they need to be well looked after and on good fuel. (Vpower or tesco99).A before and after dyno is very important with cars where any inferred increase is going to be hard to feel on the road.
Vixpy1 said:
Zod said:
Vixpy, is it true that the engines tend to give very good figures even without being touched?
In my experience they give between 490 and 510 bhp, however they need to be well looked after and on good fuel. (Vpower or tesco99).A before and after dyno is very important with cars where any inferred increase is going to be hard to feel on the road.
Had DMS maps on my 535D M-Sport, my E60 M5 & current ride being a B7 RS4.
Would never spend a penny on a re-map with any other Tuner & regardless of bulls
t dyno stats (bit like trusting a Politician) I can state in all 3 cars the improvement has been significant & by far outweighs the costs. For me it's alot about trust & my re-maps are fully warranted & with unlimited re-flashes where dealers have wiped the map (happens alot with BMW's)
Pure BHP/lbsft increase in my M5 IIRC was 34 BHP & 20 lbsft in my 535D is was much higher but i can't recall the gains & in my B7 RS4 it's 25 BHP & again 20 lbsft.
Would never spend a penny on a re-map with any other Tuner & regardless of bulls
t dyno stats (bit like trusting a Politician) I can state in all 3 cars the improvement has been significant & by far outweighs the costs. For me it's alot about trust & my re-maps are fully warranted & with unlimited re-flashes where dealers have wiped the map (happens alot with BMW's)Pure BHP/lbsft increase in my M5 IIRC was 34 BHP & 20 lbsft in my 535D is was much higher but i can't recall the gains & in my B7 RS4 it's 25 BHP & again 20 lbsft.
Edited by W8PMC on Tuesday 19th January 14:12
Remapping M-power engines is money down the drain speaking from experience,and possibly detrimental to the drivetrain in general depending on what's been 'messed' with in the map.
Putting into context you have a fully variable system that is constantly adapting/adjusting to driving style and ambient conditions and there is also the miracle that is vanos which gives all the power,torque driveability you will ever see.
Having Vanos is the top and bottom of the power these engines make and combined with ITB the system is untouchable from a 'tuning' point of view without increasing capacity or forced induction.
I have learned that to achieve mabe a 15bhp increase on some dyno the overall running characteristics,fuelling,emissions,economy will be inferior because they will have increased certain areas that show a small increase under full throttle but the rest of the Rev range is inferior because they have messed the fuelling up or increased the ignition target which will show a power gain for a short time on a dyno but get on a track in 4th gear and watch the standard car walk away because the advanced ECU in the car recognises that there is too much going on and pegs back the valve timing reducing power.
It's also worth noting that many reviews come from the U.S. where the fuel is poorer and the ECU mapping is different again from eu versions.
Basically spend your money on something worthwhile!!
Putting into context you have a fully variable system that is constantly adapting/adjusting to driving style and ambient conditions and there is also the miracle that is vanos which gives all the power,torque driveability you will ever see.
Having Vanos is the top and bottom of the power these engines make and combined with ITB the system is untouchable from a 'tuning' point of view without increasing capacity or forced induction.
I have learned that to achieve mabe a 15bhp increase on some dyno the overall running characteristics,fuelling,emissions,economy will be inferior because they will have increased certain areas that show a small increase under full throttle but the rest of the Rev range is inferior because they have messed the fuelling up or increased the ignition target which will show a power gain for a short time on a dyno but get on a track in 4th gear and watch the standard car walk away because the advanced ECU in the car recognises that there is too much going on and pegs back the valve timing reducing power.
It's also worth noting that many reviews come from the U.S. where the fuel is poorer and the ECU mapping is different again from eu versions.
Basically spend your money on something worthwhile!!
HoagieLomax said:
Remapping M-power engines is money down the drain speaking from experience,and possibly detrimental to the drivetrain in general depending on what's been 'messed' with in the map.
Putting into context you have a fully variable system that is constantly adapting/adjusting to driving style and ambient conditions and there is also the miracle that is vanos which gives all the power,torque driveability you will ever see.
Having Vanos is the top and bottom of the power these engines make and combined with ITB the system is untouchable from a 'tuning' point of view without increasing capacity or forced induction.
I have learned that to achieve mabe a 15bhp increase on some dyno the overall running characteristics,fuelling,emissions,economy will be inferior because they will have increased certain areas that show a small increase under full throttle but the rest of the Rev range is inferior because they have messed the fuelling up or increased the ignition target which will show a power gain for a short time on a dyno but get on a track in 4th gear and watch the standard car walk away because the advanced ECU in the car recognises that there is too much going on and pegs back the valve timing reducing power.
It's also worth noting that many reviews come from the U.S. where the fuel is poorer and the ECU mapping is different again from eu versions.
Basically spend your money on something worthwhile!!
The FAMS tune has made a very noticeable difference. Power delivery is much smoother, SMG shifts smoother, feels quicker, rough cold start procedure mapped out so no silly loud exhaust noise on cold start anymore. Car just feels more eager right through the rev range. Have 3 maps ( stock & FAMS 97 Ron & 99 Ron ) that I can switch between in a matter of minutes via the obd port. After speaking to two other people in the U.K. that have a FAMS tune they say the same as me, very pleased plus Jim is developing more software for the V10 as we speak where as others aren't as they've moved onto newer M power engines.Putting into context you have a fully variable system that is constantly adapting/adjusting to driving style and ambient conditions and there is also the miracle that is vanos which gives all the power,torque driveability you will ever see.
Having Vanos is the top and bottom of the power these engines make and combined with ITB the system is untouchable from a 'tuning' point of view without increasing capacity or forced induction.
I have learned that to achieve mabe a 15bhp increase on some dyno the overall running characteristics,fuelling,emissions,economy will be inferior because they will have increased certain areas that show a small increase under full throttle but the rest of the Rev range is inferior because they have messed the fuelling up or increased the ignition target which will show a power gain for a short time on a dyno but get on a track in 4th gear and watch the standard car walk away because the advanced ECU in the car recognises that there is too much going on and pegs back the valve timing reducing power.
It's also worth noting that many reviews come from the U.S. where the fuel is poorer and the ECU mapping is different again from eu versions.
Basically spend your money on something worthwhile!!
This map is much more noticeable than the Evolve one I had on my E39 M5.
Can't remember the thread on M5 board but one of the guys tested the tune on his M5 that he regularly tracks and no noticeable drop off in power lap after lap. I have had 4 Cosworths back in the 1990's and used to always be fitting bigger turbos,injectors,intercoolers also had low comp pistons, RS 500 8 injector setup, water injection tank and loads more stuff and yes mapping a n/a engine is nothing like mapping a turbo motor where you can gain almost 100hp from a simple map. I'm not after chasing power figures, I'm looking to make my M5 feel better to drive and enjoy which it certainly has, again top product, can recommend.
CRACKIE said:
Hmmm DMS. They have an reasonable reputation and some very happy customers & testimonials, which speaks volumes really, but their HP & torque gain claims are delusional nonsense IMHO. An increase of almost 10% ( 507Hp std to DMS' claimed 555.6Hp) just from a NA map . They also claim their map releases an extra 32Hp from an E46 M3
Regarding ECU gains ~ I think Evolve's claims, about the power increases that can be achieved, do not need pinches of salt.....
http://www.evo-s.co.uk/shop/index.php?cPath=6_2378...
Just to add to this, I had my E46 M3 remapped at evolve...I gained a mere 12bhp bbut the way the car drove was transformed, a lot perkier low down although I'd be pushed to tell the difference once moving. . They also claim their map releases an extra 32Hp from an E46 M3 Regarding ECU gains ~ I think Evolve's claims, about the power increases that can be achieved, do not need pinches of salt.....
http://www.evo-s.co.uk/shop/index.php?cPath=6_2378...
Edited by CRACKIE on Wednesday 20th January 17:57
Gains will be minimal but the way the car drives may change significantly. Not all about final power figures you know......
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