R380 gearbox in a 350

R380 gearbox in a 350

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briantvr350i

Original Poster:

115 posts

272 months

Wednesday 4th February 2004
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Hi guys, searched the archive and found the odd reference to the R380 gearbox... Many references to the failings of the LT77 gearbox....

Question... Anyone fitted a R380 gearbox to a wedge?

and

Question... Anyone had a successful repair of a LT77?

Regards,

Brian and a Red 350i

shpub

8,507 posts

286 months

Wednesday 4th February 2004
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The 520 is running the original LT77 box it had when it was a 390. I've been putting about 400 bhp through it. Bernie at Competition Transmissions rebuilt it for me this year as the synchro in fourth was a bit iffy. Cost about £400. Lot cheaper than fitting anything else.

Graham

16,376 posts

298 months

Wednesday 4th February 2004
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Im sure Tasmania is fitting an R380 to his manic race/rally seac replica !!!!

would a T5 be an easier option ?

the R380 IMHO is either brilliant or crap depending what day they made it. my current one is crap...

shpub

8,507 posts

286 months

Wednesday 4th February 2004
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Just need a different bell housing, mod the remote so you can reach it, mod and shorten the propshaft. Modify the gearbox mounts and make up a speedo drive of some kind. No problems really but considerably more dosh than getting my trusty LT77 rebuilt every 2 to 3 years!

350matt

3,818 posts

293 months

Wednesday 4th February 2004
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The old LT77 isn't so bad providing you get it rebuilt properly (theres a variety of snychro rings around, not all them good) and use a semi-synthetic 75W-90 oil Castrol do a good one. Probably the best option is to fit a T5 tho'

Matt

shpub

8,507 posts

286 months

Wednesday 4th February 2004
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Don't know... I've broken a T5. I haven't broken a LT77 yet... I did look into fitting a T5 but the costs just did not make any sense at all.

briantvr350i

Original Poster:

115 posts

272 months

Thursday 5th February 2004
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Thanks guys,

The R380 option is realistically a non starter... £1100 for a new box inc bellhousing and remote, then start modifing the car... No

T5 box, I'd have to start modifying things again!... No

The rebuild route I think. There's a guy in Leeds who comes recommended from the Land Rover crowd locally, and he seems to talk common sense..

I've spoken to a number of "specialists" in the last few days... They all seem to agree that the synchro is the weak point, the oil is critical and that most leak from the selector shaft to a greater or lesser extent. Power through the gearbox doesn't appear to be a problem. Those who have factory fresh R380 gearboxes seem to want to trash the LT77 and replace it. (can't think why!)

At nearly 100K my gearbox is worn. I'll see what a rebuild does before spending silly money on a R380 which doesn't seem to be the bees knees of the gearbox world anyway.

Regards

Brian (and a Red 350i)

greenv8s

30,802 posts

298 months

Thursday 5th February 2004
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The advice I got was that the 380 was supposed to replace the LT77 and be better in all respects, but in the end it turned out not to be significantly stronger and to have a worse gear change. I'm sticking with the LT77.

Tasmania

782 posts

277 months

Thursday 5th February 2004
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Yep,
Fitted one to the Rally/Race project but it's a Tw*t of a job. Needed the rear mounting moded as the rear case is deaper and longer (Output is in the same place though). It sits a bit low for my liking but as it's SCCR and was cheap it's staying there until I can afford a Quaife unit. They can be got fairly cheaply if you hunt around - try Bernie at competition transmissions. Best route to replace the LT77 (which is a good box) is to go for the T5 unit which can be got for around £350 notes.
Cheers,
GB

shpub

8,507 posts

286 months

Friday 6th February 2004
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greenv8s said:
I'm sticking with the LT77.

So you'll be declaring gearboxes consumables as well then Pete

Tasmania

782 posts

277 months

Friday 6th February 2004
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Fact.
The reason the R380 didn't replace the LT77 in TVR's was because Land Rover focussed on there own programme for the R380 - ran the LT77 out when they went into production with it and didn't have a 2WD version available until some months later - Oops. In the mean time TVR moved to the T5 and sensibly never moved back. Other lower volume manufacturers stockpiled LT77's and then used the R380 2WD. The box is generally better (LR reliability stats prove this) but in a TVR the LT77 is more than perfectly fine I'd always suggest refurb of an LT77 than replacing it with the R380 for the reasons stated previously. I'm only using it as I got a set of SCCR gears made some years ago when at LR.
GB

briantvr350i

Original Poster:

115 posts

272 months

Monday 9th February 2004
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Sorry to prolong this topic guys...

Has anyone tried putting the engine and gearbox back in as one lump? Is it physically possible?

This is on a S2 350i

Regards,

Brian

shpub

8,507 posts

286 months

Monday 9th February 2004
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Yes... that is really the only way as there is a chassis member in the way that stops the box from being dropped out.

TaSmania

782 posts

277 months

Monday 9th February 2004
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Yep done it. It's tight and the car needs ideally to have the rear wheels on ramps to make it easier.
On my gearbox I have fitted helicoils in the bellhousing, ground part of the webbing off the gearbox so cap head bolts can be put in from the rear and thus the box without the bell housing can be put in and out - it's stil VV-tight (This mod is as per Works TR8/SD1 rally cars).
Tas

shpub

8,507 posts

286 months

Monday 9th February 2004
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Tower View made up a cradle for me that holds the gear box and also strengthens/stiffens the chassis so the offending bar can be made unboltable. To drop the gear box now is piece of proverbiable. About 20 minutes last time IIRC. But thebox comes out quite often as clutch and gearboxes are consumables

tvr350i

80 posts

281 months

Tuesday 23rd March 2004
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Anyone got the number to Competition Transmissions ??

cuneus

5,963 posts

256 months

Tuesday 23rd March 2004
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01582-840008

tvr350i

80 posts

281 months

Tuesday 23rd March 2004
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I thank you sir !

adam quantrill

11,604 posts

256 months

Thursday 24th October 2019
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Anyone looking for an R380 one on the flea quite cheap item 274064587844.

I already have one "in stock" or else I'd snap it up!