Planned super mosque plans collapse

[Mon Ami Mate]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8465694....

Plans collapse for Britain's biggest mosque in London

The group has been operating illegally on the site since 2006
Plans to build Britain's biggest mosque in east London have collapsed.

The Islamic missionary group Tablighi Jamaat wanted to create a place of worship close to the Olympic site which could have accommodated 12,000 people.

Newham Council said planning permission for land in Abbey Mills expired in 2006 and a January deadline for the group to come up with a masterplan had passed.

Tablighi Jamaat, which has not been available for comment, has been told to leave the Abbey Mills site this week.

Strong opposition

It has been operating an illegal temporary mosque at Abbey Mills, which is just south of the London 2012 Olympics site in Stratford.

There was strong opposition when the group unveiled its plans for the 7.3-hectare (18-acre) site.

More than 48,000 people petitioned the government to prevent it.

A Newham Council spokesperson said: "Temporary planning permission expired on 31 October 2006 and any operations since then have been unlawful.

"The [Tablighi Jamaat] Trust was given until January to submit a masterplan for the site, although failed to meet this deadline."

The spokesman explained that the group had been given until Thursday to leave the land or the council would bring about "formal enforcement action".

He added: "The council will then look at a number of options open to it, which includes the possibility of using compulsory purchase powers.

"However, taking ownership of the land is not currently a consideration."

[Jimbeaux]

Mon Ami Mate said:

There was strong opposition when the group unveiled its plans for the 7.3-hectare (18-acre) site.

18 Acres in London? I bet that would cover some top $ real estate. Sounds like some money interests came into play stopping this.

[Zod]

Jimbeaux said:

Mon Ami Mate said:

There was strong opposition when the group unveiled its plans for the 7.3-hectare (18-acre) site.

18 Acres in London? I bet that would cover some top $ real estate. Sounds like some money interests came into play stopping this.

not in that part of London.

[AndrewW-G]

Jimbeaux said:

Mon Ami Mate said:

There was strong opposition when the group unveiled its plans for the 7.3-hectare (18-acre) site.

18 Acres in London? I bet that would cover some top $ real estate. Sounds like some money interests came into play stopping this.

Not sure who stopped it, but IIRC it was being at least partialy backed with cash from Saudi

[5unny]

I dont think this is finished yet.

Newham Council wont have the balls to make an order for compulsory purchase as the article suggests. They would fear upsetting sections of the moslem community. After all this group has already been running a mosque on this site illegally for 3 years and nothing has been done.

No doubt fresh plans to build some sort of smaller mosque will be submitted and passed.

[Jimbeaux]

Zod said:

Jimbeaux said:

Mon Ami Mate said:

There was strong opposition when the group unveiled its plans for the 7.3-hectare (18-acre) site.

18 Acres in London? I bet that would cover some top $ real estate. Sounds like some money interests came into play stopping this.

not in that part of London.

Really? I am no familier enough to know better. Nontheless, is not all of it costly if compared to most other population centers?

Edited by Jimbeaux on Tuesday 19th January 01:21

[ymwoods]

Good is all I can say. Try going to pakistan and building a "super catholic church". See what happens.

[Jimbeaux]

ymwoods said:

Good is all I can say. Try going to pakistan and building a "super catholic church". See what happens.

That is my problem with all of this tolerance we are supposed to display. When in Rome, do as the Romans; when in the U.K, still do as the Romans. I agree about letting all cultures "do their thing" as long as they do not try to force expansion of their culturally-based laws, etc on everyone else in their new country.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Tuesday 19th January 01:55

[anonymous-user]

ymwoods said:

Good is all I can say. Try going to pakistan and building a "super catholic church". See what happens.

Umm

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=402...

Edit - Jim this link is for you too. Not bad for a mental, backward, islamic country eh....

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 19th January 02:10

[Mon Ami Mate]

Shaid GTB said:

ymwoods said:

Good is all I can say. Try going to pakistan and building a "super catholic church". See what happens.

Umm

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=402...

Edit - Jim this link is for you too. Not bad for a mental, backward, islamic country eh....

Edited by Shaid GTB on Tuesday 19th January 02:10

http://www.pakistanchristianpost.com/headlinenewsd.php?hnewsid=1345

Edited by Mon Ami Mate on Tuesday 19th January 06:25

[ymwoods]

I retract my previous statement

[Mondeohdear]

ymwoods said:

Good is all I can say. Try going to pakistan and building a "super catholic church". See what happens.

What, like Lahore Catholic Cathedral?

[oyster]

Jimbeaux said:

ymwoods said:

Good is all I can say. Try going to pakistan and building a "super catholic church". See what happens.

That is my problem with all of this tolerance we are supposed to display. When in Rome, do as the Romans; when in the U.K, still do as the Romans. I agree about letting all cultures "do their thing" as long as they do not try to force expansion of their culturally-based laws, etc on everyone else in their new country.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Tuesday 19th January 01:55

But what is the British culture? Most of us don't go to our 'traditional' churches anyway. If we can't do as the Romans do then how do we expect others to do so?

[Halb]

That Cathedral was created in 1907, under British rule. From the page Shaid posted above, seems most were made before 1947, when the British left. Though one of them looks quite modern. I looked at that page that talked aboot discrimination, and then looked at wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_s...

The religious landscape in a place like pakistan is precarious. Anyone know when the last cathedral was built?

[RichBurley]

Shaid GTB said:

ymwoods said:

Good is all I can say. Try going to pakistan and building a "super catholic church". See what happens.

Umm

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=402...

Edit - Jim this link is for you too. Not bad for a mental, backward, islamic country eh....

Edited by Shaid GTB on Tuesday 19th January 02:10

But the comment within that thread says as follows:

yes but unfortunately there is still quite a bit of discrimination against them. theyre also amongst the poorest people in pakistan (mostly because they were converted low-caste hindus), and most local churches I've seen reflect this, except in islamabad where the embassies are located and where everything is pretty new and modern anways.

So hardly a success story for Christians there. Discrimination; what a surprise.

[zcacogp]

5unny said:

I dont think this is finished yet.

Newham Council wont have the balls to make an order for compulsory purchase as the article suggests. They would fear upsetting sections of the moslem community. After all this group has already been running a mosque on this site illegally for 3 years and nothing has been done.

No doubt fresh plans to build some sort of smaller mosque will be submitted and passed.

I fear this man speaks the truth. While the local muslim community as it is, and the council as 'diverse and ethnically aware' as it is, a mosque will be on that site for evermore - legally or (as has been shown) illegally.


Oli.

[Mondeohdear]

RichBurley said:

Shaid GTB said:

ymwoods said:

Good is all I can say. Try going to pakistan and building a "super catholic church". See what happens.

Umm

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=402...

Edit - Jim this link is for you too. Not bad for a mental, backward, islamic country eh....

Edited by Shaid GTB on Tuesday 19th January 02:10

But the comment within that thread says as follows:

yes but unfortunately there is still quite a bit of discrimination against them. theyre also amongst the poorest people in pakistan (mostly because they were converted low-caste hindus), and most local churches I've seen reflect this, except in islamabad where the embassies are located and where everything is pretty new and modern anways.

So hardly a success story for Christians there. Discrimination; what a surprise.

A good point about their low-caste background. I hadn't realised that but it makes sense. After all, if you're treated like st by your own religion any other one looks good. Additionally I guess the wealthier Christians would have moved to India during the creation of pakistan.

[Jimbeaux]

oyster said:

Jimbeaux said:

ymwoods said:

Good is all I can say. Try going to pakistan and building a "super catholic church". See what happens.

That is my problem with all of this tolerance we are supposed to display. When in Rome, do as the Romans; when in the U.K, still do as the Romans. I agree about letting all cultures "do their thing" as long as they do not try to force expansion of their culturally-based laws, etc on everyone else in their new country.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Tuesday 19th January 01:55

But what is the British culture? Most of us don't go to our 'traditional' churches anyway. If we can't do as the Romans do then how do we expect others to do so?

I understand that; my point is more to cutural traditions and law as oppossed to religion.