De La Rosa to Sauber
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dpbird90

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5,535 posts

219 months

Tuesday 19th January 2010
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80960

Wouldn't have been my first choice, I would have gone for Heidfeld or Ant

NewMetalSystem

351 posts

208 months

Tuesday 19th January 2010
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Ant is under contract at Mercedes, isn't he? Or he was at Brawn. I can't see why anything would change.
As for Heidfeld, I assume he must be unavailable. Or waiting until the European season when Michael decides he's had enough.

Gillet

639 posts

238 months

Tuesday 19th January 2010
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Always had a dislike for De La Rosa, not sure why, he just looks like a rat, and he's never proven himself in F1, that i know of, never really understood why McLaren even had him as a test driver.

really don't understand how they could choose him over Quick Nick, or Davidson for that matter.

Glad to hear Kobayashi will be back though, should add a bit of entertainment to the mid field

stin

1,138 posts

251 months

Tuesday 19th January 2010
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Does anyone else get the feeling that this is going to turn out to be another 'Luca Badoer' mistake!?

Merry

1,510 posts

217 months

Tuesday 19th January 2010
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Funny how Autosport, and thus surely McLaren had him down to be the first one to test the new Mclaren

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80941

Dont think he'll be doing that now somehow..

FourWheelDrift

92,263 posts

313 months

Tuesday 19th January 2010
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So does this mean De La Rosa will be taking McLaren Mercedes data to Sauber-Ferrari and passed on to his mate Fernando Monobrow at the parent team?

mattikake

5,116 posts

228 months

Tuesday 19th January 2010
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Is this also an instant promotion for Gary Paffet to McLaren standby driver..?

rsole

643 posts

216 months

Tuesday 19th January 2010
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Anyone else confused by this decision? Seems there are a good few other better candidates.

KaraK

13,787 posts

238 months

Tuesday 19th January 2010
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He has a very good reputation as a test and development driver so maybe that's why they have hired him. They may be intending to use 2010 as a developement year?

On racing ability I (like others it would appear) would struggle to see thwe sense in hiring him over Quick Nick unless there was serious money involved.

Ponk

1,382 posts

221 months

Tuesday 19th January 2010
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KaraK said:
He has a very good reputation as a test and development driver so maybe that's why they have hired him. They may be intending to use 2010 as a developement year?

On racing ability I (like others it would appear) would struggle to see thwe sense in hiring him over Quick Nick unless there was serious money involved.
I thought he did well when he stepped in for Montoya at Mclaren. He had a good few scraps against Schumy in that car.

Derek Smith

49,726 posts

277 months

Tuesday 19th January 2010
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Part of his attraction must be the knowledge he carries: of systems, procedures and technical matters. And all from one of the most successful teams ever in F1.

stin

1,138 posts

251 months

Tuesday 19th January 2010
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Derek Smith said:
Part of his attraction must be the knowledge he carries: of systems, procedures and technical matters. And all from one of the most successful teams ever in F1.
Which Quick Nick would also have but the added benefit of actually having raced in an F1 car in the last 12 months as well as knowing the team which would have helped him resettle in to the team alot quicker....

Stupidlikeafox

794 posts

207 months

Tuesday 19th January 2010
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KaraK said:
He has a very good reputation as a test and development driver so maybe that's why they have hired him. They may be intending to use 2010 as a developement year?

On racing ability I (like others it would appear) would struggle to see thwe sense in hiring him over Quick Nick unless there was serious money involved.
Agreed. He is going to be sloooooooow.

KaraK

13,787 posts

238 months

Tuesday 19th January 2010
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Ponk said:
KaraK said:
He has a very good reputation as a test and development driver so maybe that's why they have hired him. They may be intending to use 2010 as a developement year?

On racing ability I (like others it would appear) would struggle to see thwe sense in hiring him over Quick Nick unless there was serious money involved.
I thought he did well when he stepped in for Montoya at Mclaren. He had a good few scraps against Schumy in that car.
I didn't say De Le Rosa was a bad racer - just that I can't see him being faster than Heidfeld would have been in the same seat. Especially once you take his realtive lack of recent F1 racing experience. Let's not forget that Nick beat Kubica last year, now admittedly I think Kubica is seriously overrated but he's still not exactly slow.

Allyc85

7,225 posts

215 months

Tuesday 19th January 2010
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rsole said:
Anyone else confused by this decision? Seems there are a good few other better candidates.
Im very confused and surprised by it! Surely there are many other younger drivers out there who can do a better job, Pedro was amazingly slow at times in his last race stint at mclaren and Sauber are hardly a new team and need someone with experience to guide them!

MichaelWinner

2,170 posts

200 months

Tuesday 19th January 2010
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KaraK said:
Ponk said:
KaraK said:
He has a very good reputation as a test and development driver so maybe that's why they have hired him. They may be intending to use 2010 as a developement year?

On racing ability I (like others it would appear) would struggle to see thwe sense in hiring him over Quick Nick unless there was serious money involved.
I thought he did well when he stepped in for Montoya at Mclaren. He had a good few scraps against Schumy in that car.
I didn't say De Le Rosa was a bad racer - just that I can't see him being faster than Heidfeld would have been in the same seat. Especially once you take his realtive lack of recent F1 racing experience. Let's not forget that Nick beat Kubica last year, now admittedly I think Kubica is seriously overrated but he's still not exactly slow.
I'm surprise the ageism fraternity hasn't picked up on Pedro, but then he hasn't won severn WC! I don't understand the decision either, i just went on wiki to look at the stats on both and "quick" Nick would be my choice. Mattikake i seem to remember you posting quick nick was your "best" f1 driver in the wet...

xspencex

1,534 posts

265 months

Tuesday 19th January 2010
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rsole said:
Anyone else confused by this decision? Seems there are a good few other better candidates.
+1 I didn't see this coming at all. . .

spunkytherabbit

442 posts

209 months

Tuesday 19th January 2010
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xspencex said:
rsole said:
Anyone else confused by this decision? Seems there are a good few other better candidates.
+1 I didn't see this coming at all. . .
Not singling this post out, just seemed a good one to quote.

Has anyone not thought that budget might be an issue for Sauber now he is on his own again, and probably lacking a top line sponsor? Heidfeld isn't going to be THAT cheap by comparison to De La Rosa. Derek was right, when he stepped in for Montoya he performed brilliantly considering the amount of time he had been away from the race grid. A very spectacular fifth if I remember rightly in a less than brilliant car (correct me someone if need be).

Sauber has probably thought long and hard about this and come to a sensible decision. 'Are my cars going to be fighting for fifth and sixth places? No'. 'Therefore would a race ready current F1 driver be of any benefit to me? No'. 'Can I afford such a driver? Maybe but pointless'. 'Right who can get up to speed quickly and drive the car reliably whilst giving me some very good feedback?'. Etc etc.

Aside from my personal opinion of Heidfeld having little other than 'solid results' to show for his time in F1, I think Sauber had made a very sensible choice weighed up against realistic expectations for next year and longer term development needs.

It'd be different if he knew he'd be starting the season with something akin to the 2004 Ferrari steam roller. He isn't, he knows that and he has made his choice accordingly in terms of balancing credible point scores against producing a good car for 2011 and 2012.

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

32,006 posts

264 months

Tuesday 19th January 2010
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I thought he did OK is 06. Scored points in all but one race that he finished, including a second place.

MichaelWinner

2,170 posts

200 months

Wednesday 20th January 2010
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spunkytherabbit said:
xspencex said:
rsole said:
Anyone else confused by this decision? Seems there are a good few other better candidates.
+1 I didn't see this coming at all. . .
Not singling this post out, just seemed a good one to quote.

Has anyone not thought that budget might be an issue for Sauber now he is on his own again, and probably lacking a top line sponsor? Heidfeld isn't going to be THAT cheap by comparison to De La Rosa. Derek was right, when he stepped in for Montoya he performed brilliantly considering the amount of time he had been away from the race grid. A very spectacular fifth if I remember rightly in a less than brilliant car (correct me someone if need be).

Sauber has probably thought long and hard about this and come to a sensible decision. 'Are my cars going to be fighting for fifth and sixth places? No'. 'Therefore would a race ready current F1 driver be of any benefit to me? No'. 'Can I afford such a driver? Maybe but pointless'. 'Right who can get up to speed quickly and drive the car reliably whilst giving me some very good feedback?'. Etc etc.

Aside from my personal opinion of Heidfeld having little other than 'solid results' to show for his time in F1, I think Sauber had made a very sensible choice weighed up against realistic expectations for next year and longer term development needs.

It'd be different if he knew he'd be starting the season with something akin to the 2004 Ferrari steam roller. He isn't, he knows that and he has made his choice accordingly in terms of balancing credible point scores against producing a good car for 2011 and 2012.
He has only scored 1 podium in F1. Still baffled by this as there are other candidates who haven't been out quite so long, Ant Davidson, that nutter Sato, even Bourdais.. I think it must be down to money, does anyone know if he is paying for his drive?