glaze or different wax?

[lordlee]

Hi All,
I have recently been prepping my cars with a clay (if necessary) then dodo lime prime followed by collinite 476s. Whilst I am pleased with the results I really wanted to more depth to the shine so is there something I am missing out on? Do I need to use a glaze or should I be building the collinite layers up over a couple of days in a warm garage? If I should be using a glaze then which one is a good product to go for? Thanks in advance.

[kds keltec]

Firstly what colour is your vehicle ???

Then have you got rid of all comtaminants when claying , if so are the swirls bad These could be extremely tiny ? , does the paint look dull after claying ? , does the paint improve after lime prime ?

Depth will depend on colour , then depending on surface damage to the paint you may find it will need some kind of correction .

Glazes and all in one sealents (waxes with fillers/glaszes added to them) can only fill light damage .

There is alot of talk about this wax looks better than that , this one makes my paint look deeper and that one makes it look wetter , when all of this is very tiny amounts in the real world .

The best depth you will ever get from any paint is a perfect machined surface devoid of any flaws and damage , a wax should be for a temporary barrier to the elements .

You allready using quality pre wax cleanser which has a slight filling property and very good wax .


And lastly if its your 911 you are having trouble with , the paint can be tricky to get right even from a full time detailer .

Some have a horrid paint to work with (sometimes called sticky paint in the trade) , its 911's that seem to give me the most problems when using compounds and even pre wax cleaners and waxes .

2 guys that my shed more light on this are dom (dodo juice) and PJS both propper geeks when it comes to the science of products



Kelly

[lordlee]

Thanks Kelly. The 997 isn't too bad to be honest its the meteor grey cayman that I am struggling with. There are minimal marks to the paint and i spent a good time with the dodo, by hand, getting it right. The result is lovely but I was really wanting more depth to it. Maybe I am hoping for too much?

[domster]

You can use Lime Prime Lite over the Lime Prime as a glaze stage and this may add a very small something.

Use 2x coats of 476.

Make sure it is clayed. Machine polishing will be the next step up in terms of shine.

If all that fails, layer some spray sealant like our Red Mist Tropical or Zaino Z8 over the finish (NOT when the wax is fresh, allow a week and a wash to go by first)... two or more coats can be applied.

This is about as shiny as you can realistically get a finish.

[lordlee]

thanks Dom I think I will try the red mist over the car. Its been a week on saturday since the wax and the car hasn't moved so will I still need to wash?

[domster]

If left outside, I would, to be safe.

If in a garage, give it a light dust and away you go

[kds keltec]

lordlee said:

Thanks Kelly. The 997 isn't too bad to be honest its the meteor grey cayman that I am struggling with. There are minimal marks to the paint and i spent a good time with the dodo, by hand, getting it right. The result is lovely but I was really wanting more depth to it. Maybe I am hoping for too much?

see told you dom would be able to help

The colour on the caymen will not give excellent depth due to metalic content (even thou trying to picture the exact colour in my head at the moment) and if its like these below will give more of a wet , silvery look , the dark low metalic / pearl colours give the look of real depth imho .

light silver will have very low depth to the paint



this is slightly darker silver (silver grey) with slightly more depth



Again slightly darker again (steel grey) slightly more depth



and lastly very dark silver (grey) this colour is now got some depth and showing much better reflection than light silver




does this make sense ? there are some colours that challange what i have wrote, but in general its the same for all colours darker you go you will view the car as thou the paint has better depth .


Maybe one of my best examples , this car has actually got over twice the paint materail on the panels compared to the other cars i have posted and is a 3 stage paint system not a normal 2 stage , but shows hardly any depth .

As said before looks wet and silvery across the surface







Kelly

[morebeanz]

I use the Collinite on my everyday car, and it's fab for that. I do think that it lacks that show car sparkle naturally though, and no amount of layering will give it.

I tend to use either the Dodo waxes or P21S if I want a real sparkle, although they don't last as long as the Collinite.