ABH?

[hertsbiker]

Someone I know got in an altercation with a chap regarding what looked to be a deliberate bump during parking, geezer becomes aggressive & abusive when confronted, to the point of reaching in a pocket while standing nose-to-nose. Geezer bloke is also drunk. Looks like may have concealed blade? Mate freezes and then headbutts geezer to prevent being stabbed. Reports matter to Pols, and some days later Police decide to charge pal with ABH. Pal has a witness to backup story, but what's he likely to be done for if the jury decide on excessive force and/or it wasn't self defense?
cheers all

[streaky]

Headbutting a drunk who had his hands in his pockets at the time? Dodgy grounds for pleading self-defence I would say. Think how it would play to the magistrates. Sorry - Streaky

[nonegreen]

Its only going to be a fine anyway surely? Unless your pal was speeding....

[icamm]

streaky said:

Headbutting a drunk who had his hands in his pockets at the time? Dodgy grounds for pleading self-defence I would say. Think how it would play to the magistrates. Sorry - Streaky

Sounds more like - headbutting a drunk agressive person who has just started to reach into his pocket. With witnesses.

Sounds like any resonable lawyer will get you off on self defense. However, this country is so against self defense that it's probably going to be a 10 year sentence.

[Roadrage]

nonegreen said:

Its only going to be a fine anyway surely? Unless your pal was speeding....

just tell him to say the guy said im going to stab you. and went for some thing in his pocket.

and infear for his life he defended his self

As im guesing thats exactly what happen

and went for soe thingis his pocket


failing that ABH is bugger all any way I been done for it twice.

tryed for a third time, when I gave a some BIB sargent, a Slaping.

But had to drop it to a more micky mouse charge.

[Roadrage]

hertsbiker said:

Someone I know got in an altercation with a chap regarding what looked to be a deliberate bump during parking, geezer becomes aggressive & abusive when confronted, to the point of reaching in a pocket while standing nose-to-nose. Geezer bloke is also drunk. Looks like may have concealed blade? Mate freezes and then headbutts geezer to prevent being stabbed. Reports matter to Pols, and some days later Police decide to charge pal with ABH. Pal has a witness to backup story, but what's he likely to be done for if the jury decide on excessive force and/or it wasn't self defense? cheers all

oh that will no go to a jury m8 not for that.
it will only go as far as the magistraits m8.

and there probly drop it dow to common assult when he pleads not guilty.

but alot depends on what you m8 said to the bib when the grilled him.

if there aint any indipendent wickness and you m8 did open his mouth and drop his self in he will walk.

[streaky]

Roadrage - ever reliable - Streaky

[john_p]

On that BBC1 programme earlier this week about Cardiff, a guy got fined for stamping on another guy's head; there was no provocation AFAIK, certainly not self defence.

So even if he is found guilty, that's what to expect I suppose.