"Average speed cameras could be used on all motorways"
"Average speed cameras could be used on all motorways"
Author
Discussion

the_smalls

Original Poster:

1,003 posts

233 months

Monday 25th January 2010
quotequote all
Don't think this is a repost... Get a load of this:

Average speed cameras could be used on all motorways

Under the guise of cutting carbon emissions as well.

nelly1

5,665 posts

261 months

Monday 25th January 2010
quotequote all
Report said:
The idea of installing "time over distance" cameras on all motorways was condemned by Claire Armstrong, who runs the campaign group, Safespeed.

"For any organisation to call for any car behaviours to be altered in favour of unproven carbon emissions shows what a total shambles Road Safety has reached in this Country. The arguments are unproven," she said. "Are we to now be expected to offset road safety, against someone's misunderstood concept of Global Weather Patterns ? If so this would be a travesty."
Decrying both Global Warming and Speeding in the same sentence?

Brave girl!

G_T

16,163 posts

220 months

Monday 25th January 2010
quotequote all
Fake plates or B-roads it is then.

Suits me fine. biggrin


dcb

6,065 posts

295 months

Monday 25th January 2010
quotequote all
the_smalls said:
Don't think this is a repost... Get a load of this:
Sounds like a fishing trip, rather than reality.

It would be a remarkable waste of time and money
to put speed cameras on all the UK's safest roads.

The Tories have promised to change the 70 mph limit
to an 80 mph - a far more realistic proposal.






Monki

1,233 posts

221 months

Monday 25th January 2010
quotequote all
nelly1 said:
Decrying both Global Warming and Speeding in the same sentence?

Brave girl!
Anyone want to place bets that her body will be found in woods having "committed suicide" after questioning the Global Warming High Priests and Speed Nazis?

krallicious

4,312 posts

235 months

Monday 25th January 2010
quotequote all
Oh how I look forward to visiting the UK with a European registered car. As the article points out, as well as being mentioned on here several times over, speeding fines have decreased due o the average speed cameras. The system shoots itself in the foot so how can it ever pay for itself?

stefd

290 posts

258 months

Monday 25th January 2010
quotequote all
Do those temporary average speed cameras on motorways actually work? I've always been a bit suspicious they're just psychological.

How do they read numberplates at night?
It's not unusual to see the cameras at funny angles pointing all over the place.
I saw one on the M25 the other day where the flexible conduit was hanging down (implying there were no cables in it).
I've never heard of anyone being caught by them (anecdotal - I know).
Are there any issues with prosectuting someone for travelling at a vague average speed (vague because the cameras have no idea if you've changed lanes and therefore what real distance you've actually travelled).
Why aren't there any lines painted on the road like other cameras?

I've seen a proper permenant installation (on the way to Canvey Island) and that looks very real but the motorway ones...hmm...I'm not so sure. Not unsure enough to test it out though!

andy43

13,222 posts

284 months

Monday 25th January 2010
quotequote all
Great. Along with satnav, drive-thrus and mobile phones, everyone chugging along at the same speed staring blindly at the speedo'll really help the average motorist concentrate won't it? Safety cameras my arse.

nelly1

5,665 posts

261 months

Monday 25th January 2010
quotequote all
krallicious said:
The system shoots itself in the foot so how can it ever pay for itself?
It doesn't need to.

We pay for it.

frown

neil_bolton

17,113 posts

294 months

Monday 25th January 2010
quotequote all
I note the part where they say that they want to fit some 'Intelligent Speed Monitoring' or somethingorother device to goverment cars to avoid a repeat of the incident where Jack Straw's car was caught doing 103mph.

So, let me get this right. You're openly admitting that all govermental vehicles won't be able to go any faster than 70mph when fitted with these devices? They'll probably have one of those stickers on the back and everything.

I can just hear Al Qaeda or whoever chuckling away to themselves as they buy a Nissan Sunny, fit it with explosives, and as they manicaly work the poor Nissan up to 71mph, grin as they look sideways at the Foreign Minister sat in his speed limited Jag as they hit the button.

Honestly, these fools are so deluded it's unbelievable.

JagLover

46,778 posts

265 months

Monday 25th January 2010
quotequote all
The future if Labour are re-elected.

Monki

1,233 posts

221 months

Monday 25th January 2010
quotequote all
neil_bolton said:
I can just hear Al Qaeda or whoever chuckling away to themselves as they buy a Nissan Sunny, fit it with explosives, and as they manicaly work the poor Nissan up to 71mph, grin as they look sideways at the Foreign Minister sat in his speed limited Jag as they hit the button.

Honestly, these fools are so deluded it's unbelievable.
I'd vote Al Qaeda if they did that hehe It's about time that someone liberated us from Winky & Co.

neil_bolton

17,113 posts

294 months

Monday 25th January 2010
quotequote all
Monki said:
neil_bolton said:
I can just hear Al Qaeda or whoever chuckling away to themselves as they buy a Nissan Sunny, fit it with explosives, and as they manicaly work the poor Nissan up to 71mph, grin as they look sideways at the Foreign Minister sat in his speed limited Jag as they hit the button.

Honestly, these fools are so deluded it's unbelievable.
I'd vote Al Qaeda if they did that hehe It's about time that someone liberated us from Winky & Co.
Hactually, you have a very good point hehe

otolith

68,987 posts

234 months

Monday 25th January 2010
quotequote all
stefd said:
How do they read numberplates at night?
Infra red illuminators mounted either side of the camera.


The Black Flash

13,735 posts

228 months

Monday 25th January 2010
quotequote all
JagLover said:
The future if Labour are re-elected.
Quite. It must not be allowed to happen.

G_T

16,163 posts

220 months

Monday 25th January 2010
quotequote all
otolith said:
stefd said:
How do they read numberplates at night?
Infra red illuminators mounted either side of the camera.

Amazing isn't it?

They can catch you at 80+mph hurtling down the M6 in the worst of visibility by using infra-red, digitally enhanced photography yet when some little scrote smashes into your car they can't do anything about it.

Now that's progress... Oh wait...

julian64

14,325 posts

284 months

Monday 25th January 2010
quotequote all
The Black Flash said:
JagLover said:
The future if Labour are re-elected.
Quite. It must not be allowed to happen.
The future regardless of who is in power.

otolith

68,987 posts

234 months

Monday 25th January 2010
quotequote all
stefd said:
otolith said:
stefd said:
How do they read numberplates at night?
Infra red illuminators mounted either side of the camera.

1 - That camera looks nothing like the ones on the M25 - edit, maybe it does. So is that an infrared camera and those pods on the side are infrared flashes?
2 - How can infrared be used to read a numberplate? Do the characters on a numberplate have a different infrared reflectiveness to the rest of the plate?
1 - more lamps than flashes, if I understand correctly.
2 - Presumably so.

This article suggests that it is easier to extract images from an IR image even during daylight because by keeping a constant level of IR illumination and filtering out visible wavelengths you don't have to deal with changing light levels.


Edited by otolith on Monday 25th January 10:56

jesta1865

3,453 posts

239 months

Monday 25th January 2010
quotequote all
stefd said:
I've seen a proper permenant installation (on the way to Canvey Island) and that looks very real but the motorway ones...hmm...I'm not so sure. Not unsure enough to test it out though!
you are brave, admitting you have been there on a public forum.

mind you so have i, and the chance of getting to the speed limit would be a nice to have smile

essex cc and plod have both said they would never put speed cameras on national speed limit roads so how will that work. i would like to think we the public would have enough gumption to stand up and say no to yet another erosion of a freedom (and i am not meaning speeding) but the notion we can just get away from it all, but i suspect we will just bend over and take it.

Funk

27,694 posts

239 months

Monday 25th January 2010
quotequote all
G_T said:
otolith said:
stefd said:
How do they read numberplates at night?
Infra red illuminators mounted either side of the camera.

Amazing isn't it?

They can catch you at 80+mph hurtling down the M6 in the worst of visibility by using infra-red, digitally enhanced photography yet when some little scrote smashes into your car they can't do anything about it.

Now that's progress... Oh wait...
That, sir, is a bloody good point.