The end of benefits

[Mojooo]

Lets say the PM annoucned that in X number of days/years all benefits will be stopped for everyone.

The only ones remaining will be for those that are either old and cannot work or those badly ill/disabled and unable to work.

Benefits of all other kinds will stop - including childcare i.e someone who have 3 kids will recieve nothing. Jobseekers allowance will also stop.

How long a time period would you allow before this is brought in? How long would all these (thousands/millions) of people need to plan/prepare for it, if they ever could?

[scenario8]

I think you'd get a fair bit of violence and anarchy before you achieved the utopia of full employment and lower taxes I assume you're looking for.

[deevlash]

Id save even more money by making prisons concrete boxes with no amenities and give the warders guns. Thatd free up a few quid for extra police to quell the rioting workshy.

[CHIEF]

Unlike the working man who just takes getting fecked over by taxation the work shy would soon be out rioting in the streets. How dare anyone take 'our entitlement' would be the screaming.

Think about it no more plasma tv's, tabs and eight ace.

[glazbagun]

Unskilled, jobless, been on benefits eight years and has three kids... You can't just say "get a job" because noone is that desperate for workers. You'd have to be prepared to just let them die... except that they won't be happy to just die, so crime would rocket and you'd have to be content to kill them all. Or introduce slavery.

[groak]

When PMT (Poor Mad Thatcher) was Chief Thief she and her accomplices managed to get the number unemployed to 3 million+ by 1980, and (mis)managed to keep it close to that for about 6 years! Here's a wee quote:

"In seeking to meet spurious money supply targets they caused an unprecedented level of unemployment. This unemployment caused not only personal loss but widespread social problems. The mass unemployment, associated with inner cities, was very closely responsible for the riots which sparked across Britain in 1981".

It might not make for the happiest society should dummies firstly engineer millions upon millions out of their jobs and then remove the benefits that prevent them from being hungry and homeless.

[nonegreen]

Then again you could always target real parasites like the royal family and a great many civil sevants and employees of QANGOs. Or even simply refuse to allow children to be the main means of support for the underclass created by Thatcher.

[Plotloss]

glazbagun said:

Or introduce slavery.

Slavery is a bit of a strong word with all sorts of negative connotations, though the singing seemed enjoyable.

However.

I'd say that a bit of subjugation in a Neo-Feudal style is just the job for the feckless masses.

There are few people that can't till a field, which I'm sure they'd adjust to if everything else in their worthless, pointless lives remained equal.

It'd be like The Matrix but with hoes and scythes.

Wonderful.

[deevlash]

or move them all to an island where they can build their own society. Id like a section each year on your tax form where you specify certain parts youd like to opt out of. National insurance and general tax would be compulsory but you could specify if you wanted to pay for methadone programs, free houses for single mothers, outreach workers and other assorted bullst. If they cut that crap out and cut everyones tax burden by a third we'd buy our way out of a recession pretty darn quick. With all that extra cash people would start a lot more small businesses too and provide jobs for those who actually did want to work.

If you'd wprked all your days and were laid off, then youd get a decent amount of benefits to tide you over for up to a year or so if need be until you found new work.

People say society has a duty to malingerers, no it doesnt, some people in society seem to think society does and I say let those idiots pay for them of they want to. I have no problems with workhouses or simply culling them.

[eharding]

glazbagun said:

Unskilled, jobless, been on benefits eight years and has three kids... You can't just say "get a job" because noone is that desperate for workers. You'd have to be prepared to just let them die... except that they won't be happy to just die, so crime would rocket and you'd have to be content to kill them all. Or introduce slavery.

Australia.

It worked before, and it will work again.

Previously, the Aboriginal incumbents weren't in much of a position to protest about the UK dumping our dross on those shores.

Currently, the Aussies' defence budget has been cut back so far that we could load the whole UK benefit-scrounger population onto a couple of hundred container ships, send them round the Cape of Good Hope, and run them aground on the Southern coast of Australia....and the Aussies wouldn't be any the wiser for at least a month.

Edited by eharding on Wednesday 27th January 01:34

[thetrash]

deevlash said:

pay for methadone programs

It's better to give them methadone than have them stealing from your house,no?

[deevlash]

thetrash said:

deevlash said:

pay for methadone programs

It's better to give them methadone than have them stealing from your house,no?

Having had to deal with said st heads continually trying to steal from my shop day in day out I can safely say that methadone does sod all. Furthermore due to junkies being sub human scum, all they want to do is steal whatever they can to buy alcohol,heroin or what have you. Personally I'd have them all shot, infact, I'll volunteer to shoot each and every one of them and I won't charge for my services, I'd see it as a civic duty.

Methadone is more expensive than heroin and more addictive, quite what use it is is beyond me, whats even more ridiculous is that we now essentially own a crappy country in the middle east whose main export is raw heroin, why dont we just give the junkies that? Infact give them it for free, in massive pure doses, with any luck they'd all die out pretty quickly and those who didnt would be too wasted to cause any bother.

Please don't anybody try top persaude me that junkies are in some way deserving of anything other than total contempt.

[Eric Mc]

And after you have homned your contempt to a fine point - what next?

[anonymous-user]

Eric Mc said:

And after you have homned your contempt to a fine point - what next?

Eric, shame on you.

[thetrash]

deevlash said:

thetrash said:

deevlash said:

pay for methadone programs

It's better to give them methadone than have them stealing from your house,no?

Having had to deal with said st heads continually trying to steal from my shop day in day out I can safely say that methadone does sod all. Furthermore due to junkies being sub human scum, all they want to do is steal whatever they can to buy alcohol,heroin or what have you. Personally I'd have them all shot, infact, I'll volunteer to shoot each and every one of them and I won't charge for my services, I'd see it as a civic duty.

Methadone is more expensive than heroin and more addictive, quite what use it is is beyond me, whats even more ridiculous is that we now essentially own a crappy country in the middle east whose main export is raw heroin, why dont we just give the junkies that? Infact give them it for free, in massive pure doses, with any luck they'd all die out pretty quickly and those who didnt would be too wasted to cause any bother.

Please don't anybody try top persaude me that junkies are in some way deserving of anything other than total contempt.

You are wrong, the problem with methadone is that they use it to maintain and then ween the adicts off it. If they dont want to stop being an adict then obviously it wont work. I am for giving them heroin, it would stop the stealing and half the prison population.

[CzechItOut]

eharding said:

Australia.

It worked before, and it will work again.

Previously, the Aboriginal incumbents weren't in much of a position to protest about the UK dumping our dross on those shores.

Currently, the Aussies' defence budget has been cut back so far that we could load the whole UK benefit-scrounger population onto a couple of hundred container ships, send them round the Cape of Good Hope, and run them aground on the Southern coast of Australia....and the Aussies wouldn't be any the wiser for at least a month.

Edited by eharding on Wednesday 27th January 01:34

fk off!

Why should the lazy, unemployed chavs get to live in Australia and I get to stay in this st tip.

A better idea would be for the million or so people in Britain who pay all the taxes to up sticks and leave.

[Dr_Gonzo]

Stop benefits, introduce work camps. Sorted.

[Bing o]

groak said:

When PMT (Poor Mad Thatcher) was Chief Thief she and her accomplices managed to get the number unemployed to 3 million+ by 1980, and (mis)managed to keep it close to that for about 6 years! Here's a wee quote:

"In seeking to meet spurious money supply targets they caused an unprecedented level of unemployment. This unemployment caused not only personal loss but widespread social problems. The mass unemployment, associated with inner cities, was very closely responsible for the riots which sparked across Britain in 1981".

It might not make for the happiest society should dummies firstly engineer millions upon millions out of their jobs and then remove the benefits that prevent them from being hungry and homeless.

And what's the real unemployment rate now - 7/8 million. Way to go socialism!!

[Jonny671]

CzechItOut said:

eharding said:

Australia.

It worked before, and it will work again.

Previously, the Aboriginal incumbents weren't in much of a position to protest about the UK dumping our dross on those shores.

Currently, the Aussies' defence budget has been cut back so far that we could load the whole UK benefit-scrounger population onto a couple of hundred container ships, send them round the Cape of Good Hope, and run them aground on the Southern coast of Australia....and the Aussies wouldn't be any the wiser for at least a month.

Edited by eharding on Wednesday 27th January 01:34

fk off!

Why should the lazy, unemployed chavs get to live in Australia and I get to stay in this st tip.

A better idea would be for the million or so people in Britain who pay all the taxes to up sticks and leave.

Can we not just piss them off somewhere nasty.. Iraq or Afganistan? There must be a bit of ground inbetween our boys out there and the insurgents.. Stick them in that gap.

I'm not going to be bothered about the Americans going blue on blue on them

[DSM2]

glazbagun said:

You'd have to be prepared to just let them die... except that they won't be happy to just die, so crime would rocket and you'd have to be content to kill them all. Or introduce slavery.

Yes, but are there any real problems?