Fears Ferrari's F10 is lacking in pace
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Planet F1 so take with pinch of salt but it wouldnt suprise me really
Ferrari have not yet turned a wheel in anger with their new F10 and already there are concerns about the car's performance.
In the middle of a disappointing 2009 Championship, Ferrari opted to forgo development work on their existing car and instead put their efforts into this year's machine.
The early design programme means, theoretically, Ferrari should have the jump on their rivals, many of whom focused on last year's cars until the very end.
However, there are already reported concerns about the quality of the team's new charger.
According to The Times, 'rumours are sweeping the Italian media that the performance estimates for the machine are not as good as the team were hoping for and that a "B-spec" version is being prepared to try to move it a stage farther on.'
Those reports, though, are contrary to what new driver Fernando Alonso had to say at Thursday's launch of the new car, which he clearly stated that initial tests have been positive.
"What raises our confidence are the technicians, the data from the wind tunnel, the suspension, the mechanics and the engine," he said. "It might even happen that the data on the track will be even more encouraging."
The Scuderia - and the Italian media - face an anxious wait for the start of pre-season testing on Monday, which will give the Italian marque their first clue as to the true performance of the F10.
Ferrari have not yet turned a wheel in anger with their new F10 and already there are concerns about the car's performance.
In the middle of a disappointing 2009 Championship, Ferrari opted to forgo development work on their existing car and instead put their efforts into this year's machine.
The early design programme means, theoretically, Ferrari should have the jump on their rivals, many of whom focused on last year's cars until the very end.
However, there are already reported concerns about the quality of the team's new charger.
According to The Times, 'rumours are sweeping the Italian media that the performance estimates for the machine are not as good as the team were hoping for and that a "B-spec" version is being prepared to try to move it a stage farther on.'
Those reports, though, are contrary to what new driver Fernando Alonso had to say at Thursday's launch of the new car, which he clearly stated that initial tests have been positive.
"What raises our confidence are the technicians, the data from the wind tunnel, the suspension, the mechanics and the engine," he said. "It might even happen that the data on the track will be even more encouraging."
The Scuderia - and the Italian media - face an anxious wait for the start of pre-season testing on Monday, which will give the Italian marque their first clue as to the true performance of the F10.
Wanta996Gotta said:
Planet F1 so take with pinch of salt but it wouldnt suprise me really
Ferrari have not yet turned a wheel in anger with their new F10 and already there are concerns about the car's performance.
In the middle of a disappointing 2009 Championship, Ferrari opted to forgo development work on their existing car and instead put their efforts into this year's machine.
The early design programme means, theoretically, Ferrari should have the jump on their rivals, many of whom focused on last year's cars until the very end.
However, there are already reported concerns about the quality of the team's new charger.
According to The Times, 'rumours are sweeping the Italian media that the performance estimates for the machine are not as good as the team were hoping for and that a "B-spec" version is being prepared to try to move it a stage farther on.'
Those reports, though, are contrary to what new driver Fernando Alonso had to say at Thursday's launch of the new car, which he clearly stated that initial tests have been positive.
"What raises our confidence are the technicians, the data from the wind tunnel, the suspension, the mechanics and the engine," he said. "It might even happen that the data on the track will be even more encouraging."
The Scuderia - and the Italian media - face an anxious wait for the start of pre-season testing on Monday, which will give the Italian marque their first clue as to the true performance of the F10.
Yawn!!!!!!!!!!!Ferrari have not yet turned a wheel in anger with their new F10 and already there are concerns about the car's performance.
In the middle of a disappointing 2009 Championship, Ferrari opted to forgo development work on their existing car and instead put their efforts into this year's machine.
The early design programme means, theoretically, Ferrari should have the jump on their rivals, many of whom focused on last year's cars until the very end.
However, there are already reported concerns about the quality of the team's new charger.
According to The Times, 'rumours are sweeping the Italian media that the performance estimates for the machine are not as good as the team were hoping for and that a "B-spec" version is being prepared to try to move it a stage farther on.'
Those reports, though, are contrary to what new driver Fernando Alonso had to say at Thursday's launch of the new car, which he clearly stated that initial tests have been positive.
"What raises our confidence are the technicians, the data from the wind tunnel, the suspension, the mechanics and the engine," he said. "It might even happen that the data on the track will be even more encouraging."
The Scuderia - and the Italian media - face an anxious wait for the start of pre-season testing on Monday, which will give the Italian marque their first clue as to the true performance of the F10.
Are you diliberately trying to argue with Ferrari fan boys?
I'm haven't decided who i'm gonna surport this year, propably Shumacher(would like to see him prove everyone who said 41 is over the hill wrong) Although I would love to see Button take the fight to hamiltion! The last two days all your posts seem to have a general feel that you want to argue with people, not discuss?? hope it's not the case...
MichaelWinner said:
Wanta996Gotta said:
Planet F1 so take with pinch of salt but it wouldnt suprise me really
Ferrari have not yet turned a wheel in anger with their new F10 and already there are concerns about the car's performance.
In the middle of a disappointing 2009 Championship, Ferrari opted to forgo development work on their existing car and instead put their efforts into this year's machine.
The early design programme means, theoretically, Ferrari should have the jump on their rivals, many of whom focused on last year's cars until the very end.
However, there are already reported concerns about the quality of the team's new charger.
According to The Times, 'rumours are sweeping the Italian media that the performance estimates for the machine are not as good as the team were hoping for and that a "B-spec" version is being prepared to try to move it a stage farther on.'
Those reports, though, are contrary to what new driver Fernando Alonso had to say at Thursday's launch of the new car, which he clearly stated that initial tests have been positive.
"What raises our confidence are the technicians, the data from the wind tunnel, the suspension, the mechanics and the engine," he said. "It might even happen that the data on the track will be even more encouraging."
The Scuderia - and the Italian media - face an anxious wait for the start of pre-season testing on Monday, which will give the Italian marque their first clue as to the true performance of the F10.
Yawn!!!!!!!!!!!Ferrari have not yet turned a wheel in anger with their new F10 and already there are concerns about the car's performance.
In the middle of a disappointing 2009 Championship, Ferrari opted to forgo development work on their existing car and instead put their efforts into this year's machine.
The early design programme means, theoretically, Ferrari should have the jump on their rivals, many of whom focused on last year's cars until the very end.
However, there are already reported concerns about the quality of the team's new charger.
According to The Times, 'rumours are sweeping the Italian media that the performance estimates for the machine are not as good as the team were hoping for and that a "B-spec" version is being prepared to try to move it a stage farther on.'
Those reports, though, are contrary to what new driver Fernando Alonso had to say at Thursday's launch of the new car, which he clearly stated that initial tests have been positive.
"What raises our confidence are the technicians, the data from the wind tunnel, the suspension, the mechanics and the engine," he said. "It might even happen that the data on the track will be even more encouraging."
The Scuderia - and the Italian media - face an anxious wait for the start of pre-season testing on Monday, which will give the Italian marque their first clue as to the true performance of the F10.
Are you diliberately trying to argue with Ferrari fan boys?
I'm haven't decided who i'm gonna surport this year, propably Shumacher(would like to see him prove everyone who said 41 is over the hill wrong) Although I would love to see Button take the fight to hamiltion! The last two days all your posts seem to have a general feel that you want to argue with people, not discuss?? hope it's not the case...
I am not going to stop posting articles i read because it may upset some people on here? Care to explain how you feel that i want to argue with people? Cant i post an article?
P.S. After Lewis and Jenson, i will also be supporting Haug and the Mercedes boys. Hope Schumacher wipes the floor with Alonso & Massa.
zac510 said:
Everybody has a 'B' spec early in the season. What's new?
Well if it's true. Whats new is Ferrari are already there despite not being early in the season yet.But then that could be interpreted as they are way ahead in development... As always until we see them run on the same day, on the same track we simply will not know who's found the extra 10th.
Munter said:
zac510 said:
Everybody has a 'B' spec early in the season. What's new?
Well if it's true. Whats new is Ferrari are already there despite not being early in the season yet.But then that could be interpreted as they are way ahead in development... As always until we see them run on the same day, on the same track we simply will not know who's found the extra 10th.
ajprice said:
If Alonso still thinks as much of himself as he did 2 years ago, the car will be 2 seconds faster just by him being in it, because he is that amazing. Apparently 
.
Nice try troll ..In Alonso's clearest interview to date, he said his strongest point was his consistancy.
BTW, the season you mention he finsihed the latter half with the most points, in a s
t box Renault. So I would say he is spot on. But then anyone who knows anything about F1 drivers, would know deep down they all think they're the best anyway. Edited by oilspill on Friday 29th January 15:27
oilspill said:
ajprice said:
If Alonso still thinks as much of himself as he did 2 years ago, the car will be 2 seconds faster just by him being in it, because he is that amazing. Apparently .
Nice try troll ..In Alonso's clearest interview to date, he said his strongest point was his consistancy.
BTW, the season you mention he finsihed the latter half with the most points, in a s
t box Renault. So I would say he is spot on. But then anyone who knows anything about F1 drivers, would know deep down they all think they're the best anyway. Edited by oilspill on Friday 29th January 15:27
I honestly couldn't give a flying fart about how fast or slow Alonso is or how he can develop a car, I wasn't trolling or being anti anyone, just saying that the guy thinks a lot of himself saying he can make a car faster by a couple of seconds.Edited by ajprice on Friday 29th January 15:43
ajprice said:
oilspill said:
ajprice said:
If Alonso still thinks as much of himself as he did 2 years ago, the car will be 2 seconds faster just by him being in it, because he is that amazing. Apparently .
Nice try troll ..In Alonso's clearest interview to date, he said his strongest point was his consistancy.
BTW, the season you mention he finsihed the latter half with the most points, in a s
t box Renault. So I would say he is spot on. But then anyone who knows anything about F1 drivers, would know deep down they all think they're the best anyway. Edited by oilspill on Friday 29th January 15:27
I honestly couldn't give a flying fart about how fast or slow Alonso is or how he can develop a car, I wasn't trolling or being anti anyone, just saying that the guy thinks a lot of himself saying he can make a car faster by a couple of seconds.Edited by ajprice on Friday 29th January 15:43
Where's the quote from 3 years ago? Alonso has never said he is 2 seconds faster, you were trolling or just plain lying. He proved at Minardi what extra he was worth and he went on to say when pushed by the media that he thinks he is still worth the extra 'couple of tenths' over most drivers, which he proved he was.
If you dont think drivers should think highly of themselves, you're a fan of the wrong sport.
It's pretty sad that Alonso and Massa's job will be to complain about the new car in the OP to the engineers, but if anything gets through to the stiring media, you fanboys will use it as weapons against the driver.
oilspill said:
ajprice said:
oilspill said:
ajprice said:
If Alonso still thinks as much of himself as he did 2 years ago, the car will be 2 seconds faster just by him being in it, because he is that amazing. Apparently .
Nice try troll ..In Alonso's clearest interview to date, he said his strongest point was his consistancy.
BTW, the season you mention he finsihed the latter half with the most points, in a s
t box Renault. So I would say he is spot on. But then anyone who knows anything about F1 drivers, would know deep down they all think they're the best anyway. Edited by oilspill on Friday 29th January 15:27
I honestly couldn't give a flying fart about how fast or slow Alonso is or how he can develop a car, I wasn't trolling or being anti anyone, just saying that the guy thinks a lot of himself saying he can make a car faster by a couple of seconds.Edited by ajprice on Friday 29th January 15:43
Alonso is a snake and pled the fifth to the FIA so not to get kicked out of the championship. Dont forget the hidden data that Alonso had and tried to blackmail Ron Dennis with. Some people may like to over look the facts but this went through the FIA court - The snake admitted he was in the wrong.
P.S. Also please post the evidence of Lewis threatening to leave Mclaren at after 5 races in 2007? Some of the stuff that gets spouted on here makes me laugh.
Edited by Wanta996Gotta on Friday 29th January 16:26
Right, I'm really sorry if I've offended you in any way, next time I'll keep my mouth shut. I just remember this interview with Alonso on the 2007 season in a pre season show or build up to the first race, something like that, probably on ITV, saying he'd work well at Mclaren and had the ability to develop a car and make it 2 seconds faster.
That. Is. All.
Why thats so offensive to you, I don't know. As I said, I really couldn't care less one way or the other about Fernando, so why would I want to 'troll' about the guy. I was just making a comment, this being a motorsport forum and all.
That. Is. All.
Why thats so offensive to you, I don't know. As I said, I really couldn't care less one way or the other about Fernando, so why would I want to 'troll' about the guy. I was just making a comment, this being a motorsport forum and all.
ajprice said:
Right, I'm really sorry if I've offended you in any way, next time I'll keep my mouth shut. I just remember this interview with Alonso on the 2007 season in a pre season show or build up to the first race, something like that, probably on ITV, saying he'd work well at Mclaren and had the ability to develop a car and make it 2 seconds faster.
That. Is. All.
Why thats so offensive to you, I don't know. As I said, I really couldn't care less one way or the other about Fernando, so why would I want to 'troll' about the guy. I was just making a comment, this being a motorsport forum and all.
Remember testing is different now. The engineers and designers make the cars go quicker. Alonso will not be bringing anything of the sort to Ferrari. As someone else has said, he is consistent, a racer, beat Schuey twice and rarely makes mistakes which makes a young rookie in Lewis matching him even more remarkable. I actually think Lewis had 6 poles to Alonso's 2 in 2007(In the same car remember).That. Is. All.
Why thats so offensive to you, I don't know. As I said, I really couldn't care less one way or the other about Fernando, so why would I want to 'troll' about the guy. I was just making a comment, this being a motorsport forum and all.
Edited by Wanta996Gotta on Friday 29th January 16:28
ajprice said:
Right, I'm really sorry if I've offended you in any way, next time I'll keep my mouth shut. I just remember this interview with Alonso on the 2007 season in a pre season show or build up to the first race, something like that, probably on ITV, saying he'd work well at Mclaren and had the ability to develop a car and make it 2 seconds faster.
That. Is. All.
Why thats so offensive to you, I don't know. As I said, I really couldn't care less one way or the other about Fernando, so why would I want to 'troll' about the guy. I was just making a comment, this being a motorsport forum and all.
I just think it's a shame the manner in which some so called sports fans talk about Alonso and Hamilton, when they gave us IMO, the best bit of entertainment and rivalry in F1 for a long time and since. After being robbed so long of similar rivalry by Ferrari and schumacher.That. Is. All.
Why thats so offensive to you, I don't know. As I said, I really couldn't care less one way or the other about Fernando, so why would I want to 'troll' about the guy. I was just making a comment, this being a motorsport forum and all.
And yet some so called fans exclaimed they were glad to see the back of Alonso, happy to deprive the sport of something we revelled in in the past. There's enough s
t in F1, without the fans turning on the drivers who have entertained and driven by the rules.oilspill said:
ajprice said:
Right, I'm really sorry if I've offended you in any way, next time I'll keep my mouth shut. I just remember this interview with Alonso on the 2007 season in a pre season show or build up to the first race, something like that, probably on ITV, saying he'd work well at Mclaren and had the ability to develop a car and make it 2 seconds faster.
That. Is. All.
Why thats so offensive to you, I don't know. As I said, I really couldn't care less one way or the other about Fernando, so why would I want to 'troll' about the guy. I was just making a comment, this being a motorsport forum and all.
I just think it's a shame the manner in which some so called sports fans talk about Alonso and Hamilton, when they gave us IMO, the best bit of entertainment and rivalry in F1 for a long time and since. After being robbed so long of similar rivalry by Ferrari and schumacher.That. Is. All.
Why thats so offensive to you, I don't know. As I said, I really couldn't care less one way or the other about Fernando, so why would I want to 'troll' about the guy. I was just making a comment, this being a motorsport forum and all.
And yet some so called fans exclaimed they were glad to see the back of Alonso, happy to deprive the sport of something we revelled in in the past. There's enough s
t in F1, without the fans turning on the drivers who have entertained and driven by the rules.And don't get me started on my attitude towards sluggy little sh*ts who blackmail their employers because everything isn't all going their own way.
10 Pence Short said:
oilspill said:
ajprice said:
Right, I'm really sorry if I've offended you in any way, next time I'll keep my mouth shut. I just remember this interview with Alonso on the 2007 season in a pre season show or build up to the first race, something like that, probably on ITV, saying he'd work well at Mclaren and had the ability to develop a car and make it 2 seconds faster.
That. Is. All.
Why thats so offensive to you, I don't know. As I said, I really couldn't care less one way or the other about Fernando, so why would I want to 'troll' about the guy. I was just making a comment, this being a motorsport forum and all.
I just think it's a shame the manner in which some so called sports fans talk about Alonso and Hamilton, when they gave us IMO, the best bit of entertainment and rivalry in F1 for a long time and since. After being robbed so long of similar rivalry by Ferrari and schumacher.That. Is. All.
Why thats so offensive to you, I don't know. As I said, I really couldn't care less one way or the other about Fernando, so why would I want to 'troll' about the guy. I was just making a comment, this being a motorsport forum and all.
And yet some so called fans exclaimed they were glad to see the back of Alonso, happy to deprive the sport of something we revelled in in the past. There's enough s
t in F1, without the fans turning on the drivers who have entertained and driven by the rules.And don't get me started on my attitude towards sluggy little sh*ts who blackmail their employers because everything isn't all going their own way.
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