Sangatte 2 opens in Calais

[odyssey2200]

So the French open a huge hangar so that the illegals can have somewhere to shelter until they finally manage to evade UK customs.

Maybe the French should try to stop these people entering France rather than having to deal with the problem?


Even the Mayor of Calais knows whats wrong

article said:

The Calais mayor, Natacha Bouchart, blames Britain’s lax asylum policies for the influx of migrants.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/7095293/Sangatte-II-opens-in-Calais.html

[69 coupe]

Oh, Merde!!!

[grumbledoak]

Sad. But it's hard to see what else the French can do.

This is entirely New Labour's fault.

[FourWheelDrift]

odyssey2200 said:

Maybe the French should try to stop these people entering France rather than having to deal with the problem?

The European law on immigrants say that they have to be taken in by the first country they enter, so you have to say Italy (Albanians) Austria, Switzerland, Germany, Poland, Hungary and Czech/Slovak Republics are probably to blame first before they reach France. If discovered all of them are legally obliged to take care of them before they get here.

[FourWheelDrift]

Simple law - No benefits will be given to any non-UK Citizen. No benefits will be given to any UK Citizen who has worked (and paid tax) for less than 5 years.

Then watch the mass exodus.

[Skywalker]

And if the troops could stand it, station an infantry regiment (apologies) Battalion at both Dover / Chunnel and Portsmouth who are all deputised as Customs Officers and paid a bonus for every illegal they find who would be returned to the EU country of origin for processing.

Edited by Skywalker on Sunday 31st January 22:53

[sjn2004]

grumbledoak said:

Sad. But it's hard to see what else the French can do.

This is entirely New Labour's fault.

The funniest one is that if they are under 18 they are a minor and can't be deported. The part that's funny is that some judge believes a grey haired man with a bushy moustache and half his tobacco stained teeth missing is only 16.

Edited by sjn2004 on Sunday 31st January 22:59

[Ribol]

odyssey2200 said:

Maybe the French should try to stop these people entering France rather than having to deal with the problem?

And how would you propose they do that? If we, as an island can't stop them coming in how are the French supposed to manage it with no border controls?

Our immigration problem has been caused by years of letting them in and doing little to stop them. Then even when we do find them, rather than ship them out we try and help them

You can hardly blame the French for our stupidity.

[rich1231]

FourWheelDrift said:

odyssey2200 said:

Maybe the French should try to stop these people entering France rather than having to deal with the problem?

The European law on immigrants say that they have to be taken in by the first country they enter, so you have to say Italy (Albanians) Austria, Switzerland, Germany, Poland, Hungary and Czech/Slovak Republics are probably to blame first before they reach France. If discovered all of them are legally obliged to take care of them before they get here.

Factually incorrect actually. Don't let it stop you though.

[rocksteadyeddie]

FourWheelDrift said:

Simple law - No benefits will be given to any non-UK Citizen. No benefits will be given to any UK Citizen who has worked (and paid tax) for less than 5 years.

Then watch the mass exodus.

Hmmmm

Sounds entirely reasonable so can't see it ever happening.

[odyssey2200]

rocksteadyeddie said:

FourWheelDrift said:

Simple law - No benefits will be given to any non-UK Citizen. No benefits will be given to any UK Citizen who has worked (and paid tax) for less than 5 years.

Then watch the mass exodus.

Hmmmm

Sounds entirely reasonable so can't see it ever happening.

When I come to power it will be my first act!!

[The jiffle king]

rich1231 said:

FourWheelDrift said:

odyssey2200 said:

Maybe the French should try to stop these people entering France rather than having to deal with the problem?

The European law on immigrants say that they have to be taken in by the first country they enter, so you have to say Italy (Albanians) Austria, Switzerland, Germany, Poland, Hungary and Czech/Slovak Republics are probably to blame first before they reach France. If discovered all of them are legally obliged to take care of them before they get here.

Factually incorrect actually. Don't let it stop you though.

Thats interesting, what is the real situtation then? I must admit that I thought it was the first country, so interested in what the law states.

[Chris_w666]

odyssey2200 said:

rocksteadyeddie said:

FourWheelDrift said:

Simple law - No benefits will be given to any non-UK Citizen. No benefits will be given to any UK Citizen who has worked (and paid tax) for less than 5 years.

Then watch the mass exodus.

Hmmmm

Sounds entirely reasonable so can't see it ever happening.

When I come to power it will be my first act!!

You guys are forgetting that the asylum seekers are more likely to be glad of any offer of work compared to some of our very own 3rd and 4th generation scrounging layabouts.

[rich1231]

The jiffle king said:

rich1231 said:

FourWheelDrift said:

odyssey2200 said:

Maybe the French should try to stop these people entering France rather than having to deal with the problem?

The European law on immigrants say that they have to be taken in by the first country they enter, so you have to say Italy (Albanians) Austria, Switzerland, Germany, Poland, Hungary and Czech/Slovak Republics are probably to blame first before they reach France. If discovered all of them are legally obliged to take care of them before they get here.

Factually incorrect actually. Don't let it stop you though.

Thats interesting, what is the real situtation then? I must admit that I thought it was the first country, so interested in what the law states.

If they have friends/family in another country, then it is reasonable to expect them to ask for Asylum in that country.

[rocksteadyeddie]

rich1231 said:

The jiffle king said:

rich1231 said:

FourWheelDrift said:

odyssey2200 said:

Maybe the French should try to stop these people entering France rather than having to deal with the problem?

The European law on immigrants say that they have to be taken in by the first country they enter, so you have to say Italy (Albanians) Austria, Switzerland, Germany, Poland, Hungary and Czech/Slovak Republics are probably to blame first before they reach France. If discovered all of them are legally obliged to take care of them before they get here.

Factually incorrect actually. Don't let it stop you though.

Thats interesting, what is the real situtation then? I must admit that I thought it was the first country, so interested in what the law states.

If they have friends/family in another country, then it is reasonable to expect them to ask for Asylum in that country.

Why is it reasonable to seek asylum somewhere because your mates live there?

[Martial Arts Man]

sjn2004 said:

grumbledoak said:

Sad. But it's hard to see what else the French can do.

This is entirely New Labour's fault.

The funniest one is that if they are under 18 they are a minor and can't be deported. The part that's funny is that some judge believes a grey haired man with a bushy moustache and half his tobacco stained teeth missing is only 16.

Edited by sjn2004 on Sunday 31st January 22:59

I had a guy come to my gym the other week. He was of Albanian origin.

I asked him how old he was and he said "24, but I'm 15 here". He was dressed in full school uniform. I really didn't know what to say to that.

[Mondeohdear]

odyssey2200 said:

Even the Mayor of Calais knows whats wrong

article said:

The Calais mayor, Natacha Bouchart, blames Britain’s lax asylum policies for the influx of migrants.

No, the problem is the French government who just pass the problem onto the UK. Maybe we should just pick the migrants up at Dover, put them on coaches and then house them at Holyhead until they can skip on an Irish ferry.

[Mondeohdear]

FourWheelDrift said:

Simple law - No benefits will be given to any non-UK Citizen. No benefits will be given to any UK Citizen who has worked (and paid tax) for less than 5 years.

Then watch the mass exodus.

OT but would you include all the poor sods who have been sold the lie that a degree will get you a job in Nu Labia's world?

[FourWheelDrift]

Mondeohdear said:

FourWheelDrift said:

Simple law - No benefits will be given to any non-UK Citizen. No benefits will be given to any UK Citizen who has worked (and paid tax) for less than 5 years.

Then watch the mass exodus.

OT but would you include all the poor sods who have been sold the lie that a degree will get you a job in Nu Labia's world?

Hopefully the double whammy of removing the heavy tax burden of benefits and getting (forcing) more people who can work into work on the lower rungs of the ladder plus the moving of some of the benefits money into supporting the business world (or lowering taxes instead) would stimulate the economy so that jobs higher up the ladder for skilled and educated people will be created.

Unfortunately no government would try this because there are so many votes in the benefits land of UK PLC, although if they did they would have to do it immediately they came to power. It would cost money (which we don't really have at the moment) to implement and time to put into practice before it started to show positive results. No doubt longer than 5 years for it to start to work and that means they will lose the next election because Mr & Mrs "Can't be bothered to work" will vote against them. The new government would then have the decision to make, continue with a growing economy that actually works and provides it's own stimulus and lose the next election thanks to the bitter workers forced to get out of bed every morning instead of only once a fortnight to get their giro. Or drop it and go back to the shaky unsustainable benefits culture of today but be assured of voting support when the election comes around again.

[Mr_B]

Mondeohdear said:

odyssey2200 said:

Even the Mayor of Calais knows whats wrong

article said:

The Calais mayor, Natacha Bouchart, blames Britain’s lax asylum policies for the influx of migrants.

No, the problem is the French government who just pass the problem onto the UK. Maybe we should just pick the migrants up at Dover, put them on coaches and then house them at Holyhead until they can skip on an Irish ferry.

No, the problem is why when they are already in a European country with the same Euro laws as the UK , they find it worthy to cling to the underside of a speeding train to make it from France to the UK. Why is that, what is different from being in France than being in the UK ?