Found hidden artfacts in XV century wall today
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EDITED TO SAY : NOW WITH PICS BELOW
Our builder was in the process of raising a door lintel in our house today and discovered a straw ball deep inside the wall. Inside the straw ball was an old hand stitched leather glove/mitten and a small clear glass bottle containing a feather.
There are records of a house on our land going back to the 15th century, it could well be older, but we've no idea exactly how old the bit we're working on is. It is certainly 'very' old, with the walls about 70cm thick and made from stone/mud/sticks/merde.
Google reveals nothing (except helpful adverts offering us the opportunity to buy cheap leather gloves).
Pictures to come tomorrow.
Anyone heard of this type of thing before?
We're in department 72 in France by the way. If you need to ask, you are not a true Pistonhead.
Our builder was in the process of raising a door lintel in our house today and discovered a straw ball deep inside the wall. Inside the straw ball was an old hand stitched leather glove/mitten and a small clear glass bottle containing a feather.
There are records of a house on our land going back to the 15th century, it could well be older, but we've no idea exactly how old the bit we're working on is. It is certainly 'very' old, with the walls about 70cm thick and made from stone/mud/sticks/merde.
Google reveals nothing (except helpful adverts offering us the opportunity to buy cheap leather gloves).
Pictures to come tomorrow.
Anyone heard of this type of thing before?
We're in department 72 in France by the way. If you need to ask, you are not a true Pistonhead.
Edited by goodlife on Wednesday 3rd February 10:15
There's a fancy name for this and I know there are a few websites. I'll see if my memory can dredge things up. Shoes are common.
I think its all to do with anti-witchcraft.
start here and let google find you a new reality
http://www.apotropaios.co.uk/witch_bottles.htm
I think its all to do with anti-witchcraft.
start here and let google find you a new reality
http://www.apotropaios.co.uk/witch_bottles.htm
Edited by TooLateForAName on Tuesday 2nd February 22:06
Also tokens of good luck....
In the UK, shoes and coins regularly turn up in the walls of ancient buildings.
In Italy they use bodies in the foundations of motorway flyovers, although that could be something else.
A good idea to return the items to the wall unless you want to break the spell and live with the consequences.
Mwoahahahahah!
These are 15th Century....
http://www.medievaldesign.com/eng-prodotti.asp?for...
http://www.medievaldesign.com/eng-prodotti.asp?for...
Edited by NDA on Tuesday 2nd February 22:23
eharding said:
goodlife said:
Inside the straw ball was an old hand stitched leather glove/mitten and a small clear glass bottle containing a feather.
Please tell me you didn't try on the glove, or take the feather out of the bottle?
Perhaps we'll be sucked into a parallel universe....
The glass bottle has a cork in it and also has what looks like iron powder in the bottom - which could have originally been small nails - per the information following the link the original responder to this thread gave.
grumbledoak said:
Mind, did we really have glass bottles that far back? I'd expect them to be more recent.
Most certainly- the Romans created small (and large) glass bottles in Britain nearly 2000 years ago: http://www.romanglassmakers.co.uk/freeblow.htmIn art three feathers have been used to represent Faith hope and charity.I thought one feather, bottled or not, may represent something.
Nada........ but......witch bottle was on the second search page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_bottle
Sleep well
I really should have opened that earlier link, sorry.
Nada........ but......witch bottle was on the second search page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witch_bottle
Sleep well
I really should have opened that earlier link, sorry.
Edited by jeff m on Wednesday 3rd February 06:00
Pictures !
For scale, the bottle is about 10cm tall and the glove would be a good fit for about a 10-12 year old as it's quite small.
We've cleaned the outside of the bottle as best we can. Inside it looks like there was liquid at some point due to the marks inside near the bottom. More googling has revealed that the liquid was usually either urine or menstrual fluids.
Given the dark red colour stain visible, perhaps this bottle contained the latter. We'd like to think that due to the birds feather inside, perhaps it may have been birds blood.
Anyone able to age the bottle? It looks much more recent than 1600s/1700s to us. Maybe 1800s?
For scale, the bottle is about 10cm tall and the glove would be a good fit for about a 10-12 year old as it's quite small.
We've cleaned the outside of the bottle as best we can. Inside it looks like there was liquid at some point due to the marks inside near the bottom. More googling has revealed that the liquid was usually either urine or menstrual fluids.
Given the dark red colour stain visible, perhaps this bottle contained the latter. We'd like to think that due to the birds feather inside, perhaps it may have been birds blood.Anyone able to age the bottle? It looks much more recent than 1600s/1700s to us. Maybe 1800s?
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