griffith overfueling
griffith overfueling
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deanogriff

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140 posts

204 months

Friday 5th February 2010
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My Griff 500 has started an overfueling problem, it won't idle but will rev with lots of throttle but not on all cylinder
s, if I crank it over for few seconds then remove fuel pump relay it will run really sweetly till fuel in cylinders runs out. Anyone got any ideas?

paulathome

686 posts

247 months

Friday 5th February 2010
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Get yourself a noid light and see if it's the same problem I had when one bank of injectors was on all the time and flooding the nearside bank.
Had this fault on and off for about 6 months and finally found a short on the wiring loom where the loom comes up from behind the plenum.
It tended to happen after stopping for 15 or 20 minutes and then on restarting would run on only one bank. Had the most pungent exhaust smell as well. Once running properly though would produce a cloud of smoke for the first 30 seconds from the unburnt fuel in the exhaust manifold.
I was sent up the garden path by a local indy would said it wasn't the injectors but the ignition amplifier and after replacement the fault reappeared after a week or so.
I eventually made myself a noid light and plugged it in when the fault occurred and found the nearside bank was switched on and not flashing.
Maybe worth checking the exhaust manifold temperatures if the fault occurs from cold.
Paul.

Guillotine

5,516 posts

293 months

Friday 5th February 2010
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Fuel regulator?

Guillotine

5,516 posts

293 months

Friday 5th February 2010
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Collapsed air inlet pipe?

spend

12,581 posts

280 months

Friday 5th February 2010
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Pull an injector at a time to see if an injector is sticking open? (when you pull it there will be no noticeable difference)

Having a look at the temps on the manifolds might give you an idea where to look?

blitzracing

6,422 posts

249 months

Friday 5th February 2010
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Check the plug colours on both sides, as each side is fueled independently (assumming you have catalysts). If the fault is on one side only (4 black plugs) it likelty to be HT (a misfire will make the ECU put in to much fuel) or lambda probe on one side. Other wise ,in addition to whats been said already an open circuit temp sensor, or faulty AFM can cause overfueling.

panic

817 posts

312 months

Saturday 6th February 2010
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I had a (supposed) overfueling prob until I've swapped in a set of injectors from the Ford Mustang, they're advertised as having a better spray pattern and infact the engine since then goes smooth like thai silk and its torque is much more robust without blinding my eyes with unburnt fuel fumes...

They're a bolt on application.


ESDavey

713 posts

248 months

Saturday 6th February 2010
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I recently had a poor running issue which turned out to be the AFM (diagnosed by Austec's Paul). I understand you can run with the AFM disconnected - could be worth a try.

737 FLF

173 posts

202 months

Saturday 6th February 2010
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Forgive my ignorance, what's a noid light? confused

spend

12,581 posts

280 months

Saturday 6th February 2010
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Its a light so that para[i]noid[/b] people can see whats behind then?

Its just a led package that fits into the injector loom and will flash when the engine management fires an injector, some replace the injector and some have a harness that sit between the injector & connector wink

blitzracing

6,422 posts

249 months

Saturday 6th February 2010
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To be honest a noid light is not going to tell you if an injector is open all the time,( as in stuck open) as firstly the four injectors on each side are fired together on the same circuit, and they have a constant 12 volt (ECU regulated however) feed on one side, and are switched to ground to make them open. If you lost one of these circuits then the engine simply would not run with 4 pots out. It could tell you however if the wiring loom was broken to an injector so it would not open. Likewise it could tell you if the ECU loom was shorted to ground, but with 4 injectors stuck open the engine I hate to think of the consiquencies! (Im suprised pauls engine would even run with 4 injectors squirting in all the time) I would not go down this route before you look at the plug colours, they will tell you a great deal more

Edited by blitzracing on Saturday 6th February 17:25

paulathome

686 posts

247 months

Monday 8th February 2010
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Mark,
Believe it or not it did run on only 4 cylinders and surprisingly not as bad as you would expect.
Did stink to hell as you would expect and probably has knackered my cats pretty much.
It was noid the light that finally told me what was happening and from that was able to find the fault. Obviously it won't tell you if the injector is sticking mechanically however.
Cheers.
Paul