Is labour trying to reverse the class system
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Look up communitarianism.
They are trying to create an inclusive community where everyone has "rights" and no-one should feel bad for any reason. It's totally ignorant of human nature and is parasitic on initiative, enterprise and motivation.
Everything PC, human rights, inclusive, diversity celebrating, tolerant, etc comes from this model. It is great in theory, but it blurs into socialism and ends up running up huge bills. Obviously, you need a load of well paid important people to oversee it.
In my opinion, this is the most dangerously vital reason to get out of the EU now. It's a lot further than "facilitating trade" and "growth". It's about "the good of the community".
Totally intertwined with collective liberalism and classical socialism. The third way is also in there trying to do the community stuff AND fund it.
Good book on it by Henry Tam.
It pervades everything, from citizenship in schools to all the stupid regulations everywhere. I think "Common Purpose" (Google it) -associated with the bonkers conspiracy theories are in fact promoting communitarianist values in various institutions.
It's a kind of brainwashing as it's values trancend a lot of human "instinct".
I wish they'd just butt the f
k out of my life.
They are trying to create an inclusive community where everyone has "rights" and no-one should feel bad for any reason. It's totally ignorant of human nature and is parasitic on initiative, enterprise and motivation.
Everything PC, human rights, inclusive, diversity celebrating, tolerant, etc comes from this model. It is great in theory, but it blurs into socialism and ends up running up huge bills. Obviously, you need a load of well paid important people to oversee it.
In my opinion, this is the most dangerously vital reason to get out of the EU now. It's a lot further than "facilitating trade" and "growth". It's about "the good of the community".
Totally intertwined with collective liberalism and classical socialism. The third way is also in there trying to do the community stuff AND fund it.
Good book on it by Henry Tam.
It pervades everything, from citizenship in schools to all the stupid regulations everywhere. I think "Common Purpose" (Google it) -associated with the bonkers conspiracy theories are in fact promoting communitarianist values in various institutions.
It's a kind of brainwashing as it's values trancend a lot of human "instinct".
I wish they'd just butt the f
k out of my life. Tangent Police said:
Look up communitarianism.
They are trying to create an inclusive community where everyone has "rights" and no-one should feel bad for any reason. It's totally ignorant of human nature and is parasitic on initiative, enterprise and motivation.
Everything PC, human rights, inclusive, diversity celebrating, tolerant, etc comes from this model. It is great in theory, but it blurs into socialism and ends up running up huge bills. Obviously, you need a load of well paid important people to oversee it.
In my opinion, this is the most dangerously vital reason to get out of the EU now. It's a lot further than "facilitating trade" and "growth". It's about "the good of the community".
Totally intertwined with collective liberalism and classical socialism. The third way is also in there trying to do the community stuff AND fund it.
Good book on it by Henry Tam.
It pervades everything, from citizenship in schools to all the stupid regulations everywhere. I think "Common Purpose" (Google it) -associated with the bonkers conspiracy theories are in fact promoting communitarianist values in various institutions.
It's a kind of brainwashing as it's values trancend a lot of human "instinct".
I wish they'd just butt the fk out of my life.
On balance I feel quite optimistic about it really. With the pensions timebomb ticking away in communist France and Germany and the economic mediocrity of PIGS. I predict nothing catastrophic but a slow failure of EU over the next 20 years If in the UK we can manage to reduce the burden of themassive civil service by a little bit, perhaps the EU will interfere sufficiently to get rid of the Royal parasites. A succession of hung parliaments with consensus politics returning seems the most likely outcome from the next election onward. If we mess with the electoral system we will probably have frequent and dynamic elections in the near term. A consensus would force the economics to concentrate on manaufacturing.They are trying to create an inclusive community where everyone has "rights" and no-one should feel bad for any reason. It's totally ignorant of human nature and is parasitic on initiative, enterprise and motivation.
Everything PC, human rights, inclusive, diversity celebrating, tolerant, etc comes from this model. It is great in theory, but it blurs into socialism and ends up running up huge bills. Obviously, you need a load of well paid important people to oversee it.
In my opinion, this is the most dangerously vital reason to get out of the EU now. It's a lot further than "facilitating trade" and "growth". It's about "the good of the community".
Totally intertwined with collective liberalism and classical socialism. The third way is also in there trying to do the community stuff AND fund it.
Good book on it by Henry Tam.
It pervades everything, from citizenship in schools to all the stupid regulations everywhere. I think "Common Purpose" (Google it) -associated with the bonkers conspiracy theories are in fact promoting communitarianist values in various institutions.
It's a kind of brainwashing as it's values trancend a lot of human "instinct".
I wish they'd just butt the f
k out of my life. The only big concern I have is a continuance of the green slime causing massive waste of resources on windmills and other climate lies driven insanity. Greater diversity in parliament will of course reduce the tollerance of this driver for social engineering. We may have a bright future after all.
nonegreen said:
Tangent Police said:
Look up communitarianism.
They are trying to create an inclusive community where everyone has "rights" and no-one should feel bad for any reason. It's totally ignorant of human nature and is parasitic on initiative, enterprise and motivation.
Everything PC, human rights, inclusive, diversity celebrating, tolerant, etc comes from this model. It is great in theory, but it blurs into socialism and ends up running up huge bills. Obviously, you need a load of well paid important people to oversee it.
In my opinion, this is the most dangerously vital reason to get out of the EU now. It's a lot further than "facilitating trade" and "growth". It's about "the good of the community".
Totally intertwined with collective liberalism and classical socialism. The third way is also in there trying to do the community stuff AND fund it.
Good book on it by Henry Tam.
It pervades everything, from citizenship in schools to all the stupid regulations everywhere. I think "Common Purpose" (Google it) -associated with the bonkers conspiracy theories are in fact promoting communitarianist values in various institutions.
It's a kind of brainwashing as it's values trancend a lot of human "instinct".
I wish they'd just butt the fk out of my life.
On balance I feel quite optimistic about it really. With the pensions timebomb ticking away in communist France and Germany and the economic mediocrity of PIGS. I predict nothing catastrophic but a slow failure of EU over the next 20 years If in the UK we can manage to reduce the burden of themassive civil service by a little bit, perhaps the EU will interfere sufficiently to get rid of the Royal parasites. A succession of hung parliaments with consensus politics returning seems the most likely outcome from the next election onward. If we mess with the electoral system we will probably have frequent and dynamic elections in the near term. A consensus would force the economics to concentrate on manaufacturing.They are trying to create an inclusive community where everyone has "rights" and no-one should feel bad for any reason. It's totally ignorant of human nature and is parasitic on initiative, enterprise and motivation.
Everything PC, human rights, inclusive, diversity celebrating, tolerant, etc comes from this model. It is great in theory, but it blurs into socialism and ends up running up huge bills. Obviously, you need a load of well paid important people to oversee it.
In my opinion, this is the most dangerously vital reason to get out of the EU now. It's a lot further than "facilitating trade" and "growth". It's about "the good of the community".
Totally intertwined with collective liberalism and classical socialism. The third way is also in there trying to do the community stuff AND fund it.
Good book on it by Henry Tam.
It pervades everything, from citizenship in schools to all the stupid regulations everywhere. I think "Common Purpose" (Google it) -associated with the bonkers conspiracy theories are in fact promoting communitarianist values in various institutions.
It's a kind of brainwashing as it's values trancend a lot of human "instinct".
I wish they'd just butt the f
k out of my life. The only big concern I have is a continuance of the green slime causing massive waste of resources on windmills and other climate lies driven insanity. Greater diversity in parliament will of course reduce the tollerance of this driver for social engineering. We may have a bright future after all.
thinfourth2 said:
Are they wanting it so there is a upper class of folk who live completely off the state and a underclass of folk who work endlessly to pay for this upper class.
Just the upper class are chavs and the under class is working folk?
Seems to be going that way. At the local Jobcentre there are less and less useless dribbling morons attending (besides those who work there) yet the number of people with half a brain looking for jobs seem to be increasing.Just the upper class are chavs and the under class is working folk?
nonegreen said:
Tangent Police said:
Look up communitarianism.
They are trying to create an inclusive community where everyone has "rights" and no-one should feel bad for any reason. It's totally ignorant of human nature and is parasitic on initiative, enterprise and motivation.
Everything PC, human rights, inclusive, diversity celebrating, tolerant, etc comes from this model. It is great in theory, but it blurs into socialism and ends up running up huge bills. Obviously, you need a load of well paid important people to oversee it.
In my opinion, this is the most dangerously vital reason to get out of the EU now. It's a lot further than "facilitating trade" and "growth". It's about "the good of the community".
Totally intertwined with collective liberalism and classical socialism. The third way is also in there trying to do the community stuff AND fund it.
Good book on it by Henry Tam.
It pervades everything, from citizenship in schools to all the stupid regulations everywhere. I think "Common Purpose" (Google it) -associated with the bonkers conspiracy theories are in fact promoting communitarianist values in various institutions.
It's a kind of brainwashing as it's values trancend a lot of human "instinct".
I wish they'd just butt the fk out of my life.
On balance I feel quite optimistic about it really. With the pensions timebomb ticking away in communist France and Germany and the economic mediocrity of PIGS. I predict nothing catastrophic but a slow failure of EU over the next 20 years If in the UK we can manage to reduce the burden of themassive civil service by a little bit, perhaps the EU will interfere sufficiently to get rid of the Royal parasites. A succession of hung parliaments with consensus politics returning seems the most likely outcome from the next election onward. If we mess with the electoral system we will probably have frequent and dynamic elections in the near term. A consensus would force the economics to concentrate on manaufacturing.They are trying to create an inclusive community where everyone has "rights" and no-one should feel bad for any reason. It's totally ignorant of human nature and is parasitic on initiative, enterprise and motivation.
Everything PC, human rights, inclusive, diversity celebrating, tolerant, etc comes from this model. It is great in theory, but it blurs into socialism and ends up running up huge bills. Obviously, you need a load of well paid important people to oversee it.
In my opinion, this is the most dangerously vital reason to get out of the EU now. It's a lot further than "facilitating trade" and "growth". It's about "the good of the community".
Totally intertwined with collective liberalism and classical socialism. The third way is also in there trying to do the community stuff AND fund it.
Good book on it by Henry Tam.
It pervades everything, from citizenship in schools to all the stupid regulations everywhere. I think "Common Purpose" (Google it) -associated with the bonkers conspiracy theories are in fact promoting communitarianist values in various institutions.
It's a kind of brainwashing as it's values trancend a lot of human "instinct".
I wish they'd just butt the f
k out of my life. The only big concern I have is a continuance of the green slime causing massive waste of resources on windmills and other climate lies driven insanity. Greater diversity in parliament will of course reduce the tollerance of this driver for social engineering. We may have a bright future after all.
Change the record nonners, you keep trooping out teh 'royals are parasite' argument on every discussion!
johnfm said:
nonegreen said:
Tangent Police said:
Look up communitarianism.
They are trying to create an inclusive community where everyone has "rights" and no-one should feel bad for any reason. It's totally ignorant of human nature and is parasitic on initiative, enterprise and motivation.
Everything PC, human rights, inclusive, diversity celebrating, tolerant, etc comes from this model. It is great in theory, but it blurs into socialism and ends up running up huge bills. Obviously, you need a load of well paid important people to oversee it.
In my opinion, this is the most dangerously vital reason to get out of the EU now. It's a lot further than "facilitating trade" and "growth". It's about "the good of the community".
Totally intertwined with collective liberalism and classical socialism. The third way is also in there trying to do the community stuff AND fund it.
Good book on it by Henry Tam.
It pervades everything, from citizenship in schools to all the stupid regulations everywhere. I think "Common Purpose" (Google it) -associated with the bonkers conspiracy theories are in fact promoting communitarianist values in various institutions.
It's a kind of brainwashing as it's values trancend a lot of human "instinct".
I wish they'd just butt the fk out of my life.
On balance I feel quite optimistic about it really. With the pensions timebomb ticking away in communist France and Germany and the economic mediocrity of PIGS. I predict nothing catastrophic but a slow failure of EU over the next 20 years If in the UK we can manage to reduce the burden of themassive civil service by a little bit, perhaps the EU will interfere sufficiently to get rid of the Royal parasites. A succession of hung parliaments with consensus politics returning seems the most likely outcome from the next election onward. If we mess with the electoral system we will probably have frequent and dynamic elections in the near term. A consensus would force the economics to concentrate on manaufacturing.They are trying to create an inclusive community where everyone has "rights" and no-one should feel bad for any reason. It's totally ignorant of human nature and is parasitic on initiative, enterprise and motivation.
Everything PC, human rights, inclusive, diversity celebrating, tolerant, etc comes from this model. It is great in theory, but it blurs into socialism and ends up running up huge bills. Obviously, you need a load of well paid important people to oversee it.
In my opinion, this is the most dangerously vital reason to get out of the EU now. It's a lot further than "facilitating trade" and "growth". It's about "the good of the community".
Totally intertwined with collective liberalism and classical socialism. The third way is also in there trying to do the community stuff AND fund it.
Good book on it by Henry Tam.
It pervades everything, from citizenship in schools to all the stupid regulations everywhere. I think "Common Purpose" (Google it) -associated with the bonkers conspiracy theories are in fact promoting communitarianist values in various institutions.
It's a kind of brainwashing as it's values trancend a lot of human "instinct".
I wish they'd just butt the f
k out of my life. The only big concern I have is a continuance of the green slime causing massive waste of resources on windmills and other climate lies driven insanity. Greater diversity in parliament will of course reduce the tollerance of this driver for social engineering. We may have a bright future after all.
Change the record nonners, you keep trooping out teh 'royals are parasite' argument on every discussion!
Farcical.
A class system is at the very root of order in any civilised nation.
Plebs need to understand what they are, ditches will always need to be dug, fields will always need to be tilled. There's nothing wrong with it, not everyone can be a captain of industry, a rocket scientist or an astronaut.
Social mobility is a plague.
A class system is at the very root of order in any civilised nation.
Plebs need to understand what they are, ditches will always need to be dug, fields will always need to be tilled. There's nothing wrong with it, not everyone can be a captain of industry, a rocket scientist or an astronaut.
Social mobility is a plague.
Plotloss said:
Farcical.
A class system is at the very root of order in any civilised nation.
Plebs need to understand what they are, ditches will always need to be dug, fields will always need to be tilled. There's nothing wrong with it, not everyone can be a captain of industry, a rocket scientist or an astronaut.
Social mobility is a plague.
So if you are the son of a toilet cleaner, you should accept that your position in life is as a toilet cleaner or similar?A class system is at the very root of order in any civilised nation.
Plebs need to understand what they are, ditches will always need to be dug, fields will always need to be tilled. There's nothing wrong with it, not everyone can be a captain of industry, a rocket scientist or an astronaut.
Social mobility is a plague.
You should try India. You might enjoy the caste system which shares similarly outdated principles as you seem to do.
copy and pasted from the property forum...
You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody any-thing that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."
Adrian Rogers, 1931-2005
You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody any-thing that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it."
Adrian Rogers, 1931-2005
Plotloss said:
Farcical.
A class system is at the very root of order in any civilised nation.
Plebs need to understand what they are, ditches will always need to be dug, fields will always need to be tilled. There's nothing wrong with it, not everyone can be a captain of industry, a rocket scientist or an astronaut.
Social mobility is a plague.
No bad manners and scruffiness are a plague as are toffee nosed halfwits (Blair for eg) Nothing wrong with social mobility provided the ex pleb that does well and moves in next door has nice manners and good social skills he is welcome.A class system is at the very root of order in any civilised nation.
Plebs need to understand what they are, ditches will always need to be dug, fields will always need to be tilled. There's nothing wrong with it, not everyone can be a captain of industry, a rocket scientist or an astronaut.
Social mobility is a plague.
Plotloss said:
Farcical.
A class system is at the very root of order in any civilised nation.
Plebs need to understand what they are, ditches will always need to be dug, fields will always need to be tilled. There's nothing wrong with it, not everyone can be a captain of industry, a rocket scientist or an astronaut.
Social mobility is a plague.
A class system is at the very root of order in any civilised nation.
Plebs need to understand what they are, ditches will always need to be dug, fields will always need to be tilled. There's nothing wrong with it, not everyone can be a captain of industry, a rocket scientist or an astronaut.
Social mobility is a plague.
"NURSE!! He won't take his tablets again!!"This communist re-distribution of wealth thing interests me. If i understand communism correctly (which i probably don't), everyone is equal? so everyone is classless? What i don't get is, the third world is aspirational in that they want a better standard of life. So if the percieved wealth were distibuted their way, they would become capitalised and their econmy would grow making them capitalists which is the opposite of communism and the opposite of what communists want?
Edited by essexplumber on Sunday 14th February 18:53
Jovial Joe said:
dirkgently said:
Jovial Joe said:
What a brilliant idea! Now we just need to give a name to such a system.
I know.
How about Communism?
How about aristocracy?I know.
How about Communism?
thinfourth2 said:
a upper class of folk who live completely off the state
No cigar.But thats all semantics really
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