BBC has 382 staff earning more than £100,000.
BBC has 382 staff earning more than £100,000.
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deeps

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Sunday 14th February 2010
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Following on from the recent "BBC salaries 92k" thread, here's an eye opening article...

Article said:
In 2009, out of the 384 employees on the list, just under half were paid between £100,000 and £130,000; nearly a quarter received between £130,000 and £159,999, and nearly a third were on more than £160,000. [snip]

Mr Thompson has acted to quell public disquiet at the large salaries by proposing that the pay of the top 20 executives to be frozen for the next three years.

This suggestion has been backed by the BBC Trust, the governing body, which has also agreed to place a pay freeze on the next 630 senior managers for one year.

These moves are part of an attempt to reduce the corporation's £79 million annual bill for senior managers' salaries by a quarter over the next three years.

Although staff bonuses were suspended in January 2009, another document released in response to an FOI request shows that £1.5 million was nevertheless paid out in bonuses staff last year. This is significantly lower than the £15.7 million total handed out in bonuses in 2008.[snip]

At present, the Audit Office must wait to be invited by the BBC Trust before assessing how money is being spent.

"We don't have anything like enough freedom to scrutinise what the BBC is doing with our money," he said.

"This will make people fearful that there are people who are unaccountable. It is common sense that people who are paid a great deal of money from public funds should reveal what they are paid."
I can't bear to imagine the layers and layers of managers that exist, and all the unnecessary positions that have been created and paid for with the seemingly bottomless pit of tax payers money!

Does anyone know how many TV licenses are bought each year - perhaps 20 million, at £142.50 each, £2,850,000,000.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind paying for a National Broadcasting Service if that's what the majority want (although I do believe it should be put to a vote) but I would expect it to be free of government propaganda and I would expect the fee to reflect reality i.e. perhaps £35 per year.

Andrew Marr said:
The BBC is not impartial or neutral. It's a publicly funded, urban organisation with an abnormally large number of young people, ethnic minorities and gay people. It has a liberal bias not so much a party-political bias. It is better expressed as a cultural liberal bias
Out of curiosity, do other countries have publicly funded broadcasting corperations?



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/7230366/BBC-has-38...

GavinPearson

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272 months

Sunday 14th February 2010
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The USA has PBS which is a network with local station affiliates providing mostly children's shows in the day, plus news at night, current affairs shows and "Masterpiece Theater" which tends to be a 2 Hour Inspector Morse or a costume drama. Then at night they will show "Are you being served" or "Keeping up appearances" & other similar shows (seriously).

Canada has CBC which has a much more diverse range of programming, but includes Coronation Street, but basically provides similar levels of programming to BBC1, though frankly they are a grade below what the BBC seems to offer in general.

As an expat I realise that the BBC actually offers some extremely good programming. They export shows around the world & also have their own channels (eg BBC America) which are very good. Their news reporting of world events is exceptional.

BBC broadcasts the World Service & Radio 1 on Satellite radio in North America which is paid for by subscription - again it offers programing worth listening to.

So while I know people resent some of the high salaries they pay for their talent, they manage to captivate the interest of an awful lot of people and make the shows often pay for themselves. Clearly some shows I have mentioned were originally from ITV companies, but it shows the BBC needs to be competitive when trying to get the best talent.

There does however seem to be an opportunity to save money on the various layers of management clay at the BBC, the fact is that what they offer from the perspective of an expat seems to be pretty good.

ettore

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273 months

Sunday 14th February 2010
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Have you seen the television in other countries?

You may well feel that the license fee has some merit....

Pesty

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277 months

Sunday 14th February 2010
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ettore said:
Have you seen the television in other countries?

You may well feel that the license fee has some merit....
apart from top gear all the best shows are American.

Blue Meanie

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276 months

Sunday 14th February 2010
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OMFG!!! 382 people earning over 100,000? Write a letter to your MP. I think you'll find that there are plenty in the TV industry that get that sort of cash, why would you think the BBC would be any different?

tinman0

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261 months

Sunday 14th February 2010
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Blue Meanie said:
OMFG!!! 382 people earning over 100,000? Write a letter to your MP. I think you'll find that there are plenty in the TV industry that get that sort of cash, why would you think the BBC would be any different?
They are working for a publicly funded body, and probably have jobs for life. Comparing them against people who work for private/public companies who are subject to risk and performance is quite bogus.

Blue Meanie

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Sunday 14th February 2010
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tinman0 said:
Blue Meanie said:
OMFG!!! 382 people earning over 100,000? Write a letter to your MP. I think you'll find that there are plenty in the TV industry that get that sort of cash, why would you think the BBC would be any different?
They are working for a publicly funded body, and probably have jobs for life. Comparing them against people who work for private/public companies who are subject to risk and performance is quite bogus.
Why? The BBC still has to attract decent professionals for their workplace, just like private companies. They are no different than other TV companies in that respect. Can we have a comparison with private company jobs for these 300+ people then, rathernthan just waving our hands in the air, and demanding paycuts.

Richie200

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Sunday 14th February 2010
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[quote=deeps]Out of curiosity, do other countries have publicly funded broadcasting corperations?[quote]

It Germany it costs me €215.76 a year for the TV licence and from memory my house in France is similar, so yes it is not just the UK that suffers.


turbobloke

115,295 posts

281 months

Sunday 14th February 2010
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Blue Meanie said:
tinman0 said:
Blue Meanie said:
OMFG!!! 382 people earning over 100,000? Write a letter to your MP. I think you'll find that there are plenty in the TV industry that get that sort of cash, why would you think the BBC would be any different?
They are working for a publicly funded body, and probably have jobs for life. Comparing them against people who work for private/public companies who are subject to risk and performance is quite bogus.
Why? The BBC still has to attract decent professionals for their workplace, just like private companies. They are no different than other TV companies in that respect. Can we have a comparison with private company jobs for these 300+ people then, rathernthan just waving our hands in the air, and demanding paycuts.
If the quality of outcomes and continuity of business remained as now after the licence fee was abolished then there would be more justification for BBC largesse. The situation in London when Red Ken was Mayor seemed to go the same way, with armfuls of City Hall staff on six figures seemingly for no other reason than they were Ken's Cronies. If there's similar political cronyism at the beeb, and with a sequence of tame labour luvvies at the top it sure looks suspicious, then there are further grounds for concern.

Blue Meanie

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Sunday 14th February 2010
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Do we know who it is with these salaries? If not, then blind speculation is no better than tabloid journo's.

Puggit

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Sunday 14th February 2010
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Richie200 said:
deeps said:
Out of curiosity, do other countries have publicly funded broadcasting corperations?
It Germany it costs me €215.76 a year for the TV licence and from memory my house in France is similar, so yes it is not just the UK that suffers.
Our French licence is part of our Tax D'habitation. I believe it's just over the €100 mark - so that we can have Sky TV banghead

Our TV there isn't even SECAM capable.

Edited by Puggit on Sunday 14th February 07:49

cs02rm0

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212 months

Sunday 14th February 2010
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Puggit said:
Our French licence is part of our Tax D'habitation. I believe it's just over the €100 mark - so that we can have Sky TV banghead
€121, so about the £100 mark. Still better than the UK one, which is a little short of £150 and rising at quite a rate. And you get to live in France!

turbobloke

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Sunday 14th February 2010
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Blue Meanie said:
Do we know who it is with these salaries? If not, then blind speculation is no better than tabloid journo's.
Senior Managers.

Mr Thompson has acted to quell public disquiet at the large salaries by proposing that the pay of the top 20 executives to be frozen for the next three years. This suggestion has been backed by the BBC Trust, the governing body, which has also agreed to place a pay freeze on the next 630 senior managers for one year.

Their names aren't needed or wanted and their jobs will be the usual range of 'senior manager' roles.

Blue Meanie

73,668 posts

276 months

Sunday 14th February 2010
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turbobloke said:
Blue Meanie said:
Do we know who it is with these salaries? If not, then blind speculation is no better than tabloid journo's.
Senior Managers.

Mr Thompson has acted to quell public disquiet at the large salaries by proposing that the pay of the top 20 executives to be frozen for the next three years. This suggestion has been backed by the BBC Trust, the governing body, which has also agreed to place a pay freeze on the next 630 senior managers for one year.

Their names aren't needed or wanted and their jobs will be the usual range of 'senior manager' roles.
Oh well, senior managers, let's just burn them at the stake.

turbobloke

115,295 posts

281 months

Sunday 14th February 2010
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Blue Meanie said:
turbobloke said:
Blue Meanie said:
Do we know who it is with these salaries? If not, then blind speculation is no better than tabloid journo's.
Senior Managers.

Mr Thompson has acted to quell public disquiet at the large salaries by proposing that the pay of the top 20 executives to be frozen for the next three years. This suggestion has been backed by the BBC Trust, the governing body, which has also agreed to place a pay freeze on the next 630 senior managers for one year.

Their names aren't needed or wanted and their jobs will be the usual range of 'senior manager' roles.
Oh well, senior managers, let's just burn them at the stake.
Seems harsh. Having asked you got an answer, which was in the OP anyway.

Puggit

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269 months

Sunday 14th February 2010
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cs02rm0 said:
Puggit said:
Our French licence is part of our Tax D'habitation. I believe it's just over the €100 mark - so that we can have Sky TV banghead
€121, so about the £100 mark. Still better than the UK one, which is a little short of £150 and rising at quite a rate. And you get to live in France!
Sadly I don't!

Blue Meanie

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276 months

Sunday 14th February 2010
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turbobloke said:
Blue Meanie said:
turbobloke said:
Blue Meanie said:
Do we know who it is with these salaries? If not, then blind speculation is no better than tabloid journo's.
Senior Managers.

Mr Thompson has acted to quell public disquiet at the large salaries by proposing that the pay of the top 20 executives to be frozen for the next three years. This suggestion has been backed by the BBC Trust, the governing body, which has also agreed to place a pay freeze on the next 630 senior managers for one year.

Their names aren't needed or wanted and their jobs will be the usual range of 'senior manager' roles.
Oh well, senior managers, let's just burn them at the stake.
Seems harsh. Having asked you got an answer, which was in the OP anyway.
Senior Manager could mean anything, TB. Catering managers, production managers, accounting managers, production managers, lawyers, research managers. So what is the private salaries that each of these could expect? Is it wrong to offer them what they do earn, and if so, why?

turbobloke

115,295 posts

281 months

Sunday 14th February 2010
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Blue Meanie said:
turbobloke said:
Blue Meanie said:
turbobloke said:
Blue Meanie said:
Do we know who it is with these salaries? If not, then blind speculation is no better than tabloid journo's.
Senior Managers.

Mr Thompson has acted to quell public disquiet at the large salaries by proposing that the pay of the top 20 executives to be frozen for the next three years. This suggestion has been backed by the BBC Trust, the governing body, which has also agreed to place a pay freeze on the next 630 senior managers for one year.

Their names aren't needed or wanted and their jobs will be the usual range of 'senior manager' roles.
Oh well, senior managers, let's just burn them at the stake.
Seems harsh. Having asked you got an answer, which was in the OP anyway.
Senior Manager could mean anything, TB. Catering managers, production managers, accounting managers, production managers, lawyers, research managers. So what is the private salaries that each of these could expect? Is it wrong to offer them what they do earn, and if so, why?
I suspect you've missed the gist (of my comments). My interest in this has not involved anything to do with the individuals or their roles, I thought that much was clear already. I'm sure some if not all of these senior managers are paid less than some PHers receive from employment or self-employment. What somebody earns in the private sector is, in general, a matter for them and their employer or (in terms of fees) their clients only, but where public monies are involved such as with the public sector and the compulsory licence fee which funds the BBC then there is legitimate wider interest in remuneration levels - and in this case my interest is in the degree to which potentially politically motivated senior appointments made by labour-supporting cronies at the very top of the beeb attract and reward people for being generally plausible in the roles while having the right outlook.

Hooty

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Sunday 14th February 2010
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turbobloke said:
Blue Meanie said:
turbobloke said:
Blue Meanie said:
turbobloke said:
Blue Meanie said:
Do we know who it is with these salaries? If not, then blind speculation is no better than tabloid journo's.
Senior Managers.

Mr Thompson has acted to quell public disquiet at the large salaries by proposing that the pay of the top 20 executives to be frozen for the next three years. This suggestion has been backed by the BBC Trust, the governing body, which has also agreed to place a pay freeze on the next 630 senior managers for one year.

Their names aren't needed or wanted and their jobs will be the usual range of 'senior manager' roles.
Oh well, senior managers, let's just burn them at the stake.
Seems harsh. Having asked you got an answer, which was in the OP anyway.
Senior Manager could mean anything, TB. Catering managers, production managers, accounting managers, production managers, lawyers, research managers. So what is the private salaries that each of these could expect? Is it wrong to offer them what they do earn, and if so, why?
I suspect you've missed the gist (of my comments). My interest in this has not involved anything to do with the individuals or their roles, I thought that much was clear already. I'm sure some if not all of these senior managers are paid less than some PHers receive from employment or self-employment. What somebody earns in the private sector is, in general, a matter for them and their employer or (in terms of fees) their clients only, but where public monies are involved such as with the public sector and the compulsory licence fee which funds the BBC then there is legitimate wider interest in remuneration levels - and in this case my interest is in the degree to which potentially politically motivated senior appointments made by labour-supporting cronies at the very top of the beeb attract and reward people for being generally plausible in the roles while having the right outlook.
True but it still doesn't mean that people need to be named. All the public needs to know is that the role is not being overpaid. Who fills that role is not important or pertinent.

Blue Meanie

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Sunday 14th February 2010
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turbobloke said:
my interest is in the degree to which potentially politically motivated senior appointments made by labour-supporting cronies at the very top of the beeb attract and reward people for being generally plausible in the roles while having the right outlook.
What does that have to do with this thread? You are pondering their political leaning, and it's effect on the output of the BBC. That has nothing to do with their salaries, unless you think they are being paid more for that very bias. Is this just a paranoid pondering, or do you have any evidence of this?