Italian power in an Ultima?
Discussion
Followed a thread on gassing Ferraris and came accross a guy in the US with engines and tranny's for sale
www.ferrariservice.ws/
Anyone brave enough?
Dave.
www.ferrariservice.ws/
Anyone brave enough?
Dave.
Darn - that's just up the road from me - an Ultima with a 360 motor would sound as good as it looks.
I think a blown LS1 is probably a more sensible option both for ease/expense of service - not to mention purchase.
It'd sound glorious though.
Symbolic motors is just down the road from my office so service could be done there for a price....
I think a blown LS1 is probably a more sensible option both for ease/expense of service - not to mention purchase.
It'd sound glorious though.
Symbolic motors is just down the road from my office so service could be done there for a price....
Maybe I'm getting old but the 360s, Ford and Lexus V8s were pretty hard to tell from the LS6s at Daytona the other week. I can understand wanting to put in a V10 or V12 to get a different sound but one V8 sounds pretty much like another to me even with slightly different firing orders.
Blimey! I think you need to visit a hearing specialist. I SAID I THINK YOUR HEARING MAY NOT BE QUITE RIGHT 
NOTHING sounds like a Ferrari V8, due to firing order, valve count, rev range, exhaust design etc. In fact I'd suggest this may be the best sounding engine in the world with a couple of exceptions (Zonda, McLaren F1).
NOTHING sounds like a Ferrari V8, due to firing order, valve count, rev range, exhaust design etc. In fact I'd suggest this may be the best sounding engine in the world with a couple of exceptions (Zonda, McLaren F1).
I can only agree !
I'm only a wanna bee so far. Planning to start a build around sept-oct this year.
Currently driving Alfa Romeos, and have a lovely sounding 3 liter V6.
I can probably score some Ferrari, Lamborghini and Maserati powerplants,
but considering initial and running for costs for those engines an upgraded AR V6 to 3.5 or 3.8 at AH Motorsports is highly likely as well.
Just listen to this...
http://murphy.klubba.net/alfapower/Ferrari_F40.mpeg
I'm only a wanna bee so far. Planning to start a build around sept-oct this year.
Currently driving Alfa Romeos, and have a lovely sounding 3 liter V6.
I can probably score some Ferrari, Lamborghini and Maserati powerplants,
but considering initial and running for costs for those engines an upgraded AR V6 to 3.5 or 3.8 at AH Motorsports is highly likely as well.
Just listen to this...
http://murphy.klubba.net/alfapower/Ferrari_F40.mpeg
trackdemon said:
Blimey! I think you need to visit a hearing specialist. I SAID I THINK YOUR HEARING MAY NOT BE QUITE RIGHT
NOTHING sounds like a Ferrari V8, due to firing order, valve count, rev range, exhaust design etc. In fact I'd suggest this may be the best sounding engine in the world with a couple of exceptions (Zonda, McLaren F1).
The ONLY reason a Ferrai sounds like a Ferrari is the flat plane crank. Basically the engine fires as if two 4 cylinder engines were mated together.
I actually thought about having a flat plane (also called single plane) crank for an LS1, just to be different. I guess I could simply play with the firing order for a little different sound.
BTW, a think that Ferrari V8 sounds better than ANY V12, except maybe a Ferrari V12
Hi Doc
I understand yr opinion but i think the porche V10 sound at least that great
also the Aston Vanguish sound is superb
so you dont need a ferrari to have a great sound
and the ferrari is looking at reliabilaty not to compare to the porsche even the costs ands availabilaty of spare parts
doc_fudge said:
The ONLY reason a Ferrai sounds like a Ferrari is the flat plane crank.
Not quite true I'm afraid, the Cerbera and Esprit V8's both have flat plane cranks and sound very different indeed to the Ferrari unit. The Ferrari's exhuast and header design almost certainly play a big part as does the valve count (5v per cyl as opposed to 2 in the AJP V8). Not sure about the lack of reliability comments - everything I've heard suggests the V8 in both the 355 & 360 are nigh on bulletproof. Still not right for an Ultima though.
It' right that it is the 180degree crank that make Ferraris sound.
Regarding a flatcrank in a ls1 engine, it is not that simple. Of course you need a diffrent fireing order and a diffrent camshaft. But you probably will need som kind of balanceaxles so your engine dont shake apart.
It is 44% (if I remember it right) more vibrations in a flatcrank V8 than a inline 4....
Regarding a flatcrank in a ls1 engine, it is not that simple. Of course you need a diffrent fireing order and a diffrent camshaft. But you probably will need som kind of balanceaxles so your engine dont shake apart.
It is 44% (if I remember it right) more vibrations in a flatcrank V8 than a inline 4....
doc_fudge said:
Blimey! I think you need to visit a hearing specialist. I SAID I THINK YOUR HEARING MAY NOT BE QUITE RIGHT
NOTHING sounds like a Ferrari V8, due to firing order, valve count, rev range, exhaust design etc. In fact I'd suggest this may be the best sounding engine in the world with a couple of exceptions (Zonda, McLaren F1).
The ONLY reason a Ferrai sounds like a Ferrari is the flat plane crank. Basically the engine fires as if two 4 cylinder engines were mated together.
I actually thought about having a flat plane (also called single plane) crank for an LS1, just to be different. I guess I could simply play with the firing order for a little different sound.
BTW, a think that Ferrari V8 sounds better than ANY V12, except maybe a Ferrari V12
Mr J said:
I was talking sound guys
mm, mm, mmmm
A lexus/toyota 1uzfe will do me fine. There is nothing like a v8-v12 up above 9k rpm. You can keep your chevy smallblocks with their 6.5k redlines
The lower revving SBC produces lower frequency sound.
Low frequency sound waves travel further bringing the highly enjoyable sound to a wider audience.
Steve
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