Play Offs For A Champions League Place - Yes or No? Vote
Poll: Play Offs For A Champions League Place - Yes or No? Vote
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Hmmm...I wonder, in particular, how the Liverpool supporters will see this one...
...after all, being a top four club for so long they stand to lose the most but should they finish outside of the top four then they still have a chance to qualify for next seasons ECL.
Anyway...I'm not sure I agree with this plan.
It seems a little harsh on the team finishing 4th to then have to (effectively) roll the dice to get an ECL place.
However, I can see the 14 votes (out of 20) required for this to actually come into existence being garnered.
Still, on the plus side, I might actually get to see my club in the ECL...well, the 1st round anyway.
...after all, being a top four club for so long they stand to lose the most but should they finish outside of the top four then they still have a chance to qualify for next seasons ECL.Anyway...I'm not sure I agree with this plan.
It seems a little harsh on the team finishing 4th to then have to (effectively) roll the dice to get an ECL place.
However, I can see the 14 votes (out of 20) required for this to actually come into existence being garnered.
Still, on the plus side, I might actually get to see my club in the ECL...well, the 1st round anyway.
We've already got a play off for the 4th slot - it's played over the entire season.
It could potentially mean that a team finishing with 20+ points less than the 4th placed team reaches the CL, and if every nation ends up doing it, then it could easily weaken the final competition, meaning the same teams always reaching the last 8.
It's also a qualifying slot, and it would be a shame to lose the extra English place by putting in a weaker team who have less chance of winning the qualifier.
It could potentially mean that a team finishing with 20+ points less than the 4th placed team reaches the CL, and if every nation ends up doing it, then it could easily weaken the final competition, meaning the same teams always reaching the last 8.
It's also a qualifying slot, and it would be a shame to lose the extra English place by putting in a weaker team who have less chance of winning the qualifier.
BJG1 said:
Gun said:
For me, the idea of the club who finished 7th possibly going into the Champions League is laughable.
For me, the idea of the club who finished 4th going into the Champions League is laughable. but if it's going to happen, you might as well have a fun play-off to decide it.Zeek said:
It could potentially mean that a team finishing with 20+ points less than the 4th placed team reaches the CL, and if every nation ends up doing it, then it could easily weaken the final competition, meaning the same teams always reaching the last 8.
the competition has already become weaker once they opened it up to 2nd, 3rd and 4th placed teamsseeing the likes of Fulham in the CL (who were closer to the bottom of the table than the top in terms of points last season) is totally ridiculous
My personal favourite is that the FA Cup winners should get the 4th spot.
This would instantly upgrade the FA Cup to the status it had 20 years ago when it was 2nd only (just) to winning the League and certainly had more 'glamour' associated with it than winning the league.
All of a sudden everybody would be fielding their strongest possible sides.
Now its little better than the Carling Cup.
This would instantly upgrade the FA Cup to the status it had 20 years ago when it was 2nd only (just) to winning the League and certainly had more 'glamour' associated with it than winning the league.
All of a sudden everybody would be fielding their strongest possible sides.
Now its little better than the Carling Cup.
Gun said:
BJG1 said:
Gun said:
For me, the idea of the club who finished 7th possibly going into the Champions League is laughable.
For me, the idea of the club who finished 4th going into the Champions League is laughable. but if it's going to happen, you might as well have a fun play-off to decide it.As a Liverpool supporter I haven't really decided on a for or against yet. I'd certainly like to see other teams breaking into the top four, and for the likes of City, Tottenham and Villa to get into the CL would mean a bit more funding, and a way of becoming stronger. It would be a great thing if instead of having a world class Top Four, we had a world class Top Six or Top Seven!
The guy who proposed the championship/league play offs was on sky sports news today, (ex Brentford chairman or something).
He seems to think if it gets the green light then the team who finish 4th will go straight to the CL play off final, 6th & 7th with play each other to decide who plays 5th, then the winner will play 4th in the final. Rather bizarre knockout over 3 games so no home / away legs either.
Either way it devalues the CL somewhat as a 7th place team (some would say around about mid table) could go on and win the Champions League.
The top 2 from each country should go through to the CL and when you get knocked out that's it, non of this 'ok now you can go into the Europa League even though it's halfway through already'.
Has this idea been dreamt up because Liverpool (one of the top 4 clubs in the Premiership even though they've never won the Premier League) look like they might miss out to one of 3 other clubs this season?
He seems to think if it gets the green light then the team who finish 4th will go straight to the CL play off final, 6th & 7th with play each other to decide who plays 5th, then the winner will play 4th in the final. Rather bizarre knockout over 3 games so no home / away legs either.
Either way it devalues the CL somewhat as a 7th place team (some would say around about mid table) could go on and win the Champions League.
The top 2 from each country should go through to the CL and when you get knocked out that's it, non of this 'ok now you can go into the Europa League even though it's halfway through already'.
Has this idea been dreamt up because Liverpool (one of the top 4 clubs in the Premiership even though they've never won the Premier League) look like they might miss out to one of 3 other clubs this season?
Promised Land said:
Has this idea been dreamt up because Liverpool (one of the top 4 clubs in the Premiership even though they've never won the Premier League) look like they might miss out to one of 3 other clubs this season?
Doubt it. It would never come in to force quickly enough to effect this season. Plus the idea has only come to light now Liverpool have started to put a string of results together and are currently sitting in the fourth spot (albeit after playing more games than City).If this idea had made the news a couple of months ago when Liverpool were much further down the table then your argument might have had some more credibility.
I voted 'yes' on the ground that it would be one of the most exciting events on the football calendar. However, if I had my way it would only be the winners of the EPL that qualified. Bring back a UEFA cup with some well deserved prestige, and let the ultimate teams compete for Big Ears.
Personally I don't agree with those of you who say only the winners of the EPL should play in the CL, or the winners and runners up. OK, so the "best" team over the course of the season usually wins it, but does that mean they've been the most interesting to watch? Certainly not, and Chelsea pretty much prove that.
I think by allowing at least 2-3 teams from the EPL into the CL you get a good blend of technically good teams, but also teams that are interesting to watch. Arsenal are a good example, at times they lack the consistency of a really good team, but they do try to play the most attractive football (usually), and can be very interesting to watch.
I think if one season the CL consisted of Chelsea, Sevilla, Porto, Bayern, Ayax and Inter I don't think I'd bother watching any match!
I think by allowing at least 2-3 teams from the EPL into the CL you get a good blend of technically good teams, but also teams that are interesting to watch. Arsenal are a good example, at times they lack the consistency of a really good team, but they do try to play the most attractive football (usually), and can be very interesting to watch.
I think if one season the CL consisted of Chelsea, Sevilla, Porto, Bayern, Ayax and Inter I don't think I'd bother watching any match!
jammy_basturd said:
Personally I don't agree with those of you who say only the winners of the EPL should play in the CL, or the winners and runners up. OK, so the "best" team over the course of the season usually wins it, but does that mean they've been the most interesting to watch? Certainly not, and Chelsea pretty much prove that.
I think by allowing at least 2-3 teams from the EPL into the CL you get a good blend of technically good teams, but also teams that are interesting to watch. Arsenal are a good example, at times they lack the consistency of a really good team, but they do try to play the most attractive football (usually), and can be very interesting to watch.
I think if one season the CL consisted of Chelsea, Sevilla, Porto, Bayern, Ayax and Inter I don't think I'd bother watching any match!
How about if there were some clowns performing at half time? I mean the REALLY funny ones!I think by allowing at least 2-3 teams from the EPL into the CL you get a good blend of technically good teams, but also teams that are interesting to watch. Arsenal are a good example, at times they lack the consistency of a really good team, but they do try to play the most attractive football (usually), and can be very interesting to watch.
I think if one season the CL consisted of Chelsea, Sevilla, Porto, Bayern, Ayax and Inter I don't think I'd bother watching any match!
MaxAndRuby said:
elster said:
I think that only the top 2 or 3 teams should be in the champions league.
It is meant to be "champions".
So just the 'Champions' then?It is meant to be "champions".
Which is why we field the extras along with France, Germany, Italy and Spain.
Although I think England have more teams than anyone else.
UEFA wouldn't get many viewers with teams of an Andoran team vs Chelsea.
in that case you aren't watching the best teams in europe, you watching the best teams and the ones that finish a fair way off the top of the leagues
having opened up the qualification we've ended up with more laggers like Lens, Hertha Berlin and Sparta Prague in the tournament - not really a champions tournament is it?
having opened up the qualification we've ended up with more laggers like Lens, Hertha Berlin and Sparta Prague in the tournament - not really a champions tournament is it?
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